The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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So, as we know, the two Mutos would have killed 2014 Godzilla had Brody not lit their nest on fire. So, it can easily be said that MV Godzilla does not do well in 1v2s, thus giving his foes here an advantage. This is a fair assessment, however:

The Muto pair were specifically evolved to both work together and to overcome members of Godzilla’s species. The former gives them an edge over most duos in terms of synchronization, and the latter an edge over Godzilla specifically. Kiryu and Mothra, though they would work well together, would not be as coordinated as the Muto pair and would not be specifically built to overcome MV Godzilla.

As well, that was 2014 Godzilla that was overcome by the Mutos. This is KOTM Godzilla, who is quite superior to 2014 in just about every category. Yes, he did not fight any duos in KOTM, but his greater agility, strength, and faster beam charge-time will make him better able to handle multiple foes.

So anyway, MV Godzilla gets my vote, he’ll rip Kiryu apart in melee and nothing in Kiryu’s arsenal (aside from the AZC, and we all know how reliable that is) or Mothra’s bag of tricks will be able to deal worthwhile damage in time to stop this.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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MV Godzilla wins. Mothra will be a minor inconvenient at best, a tail-slap would probably make her share the same fate as the Male MUTO. Kiryu will be slightly more difficult to deal with, but Godzilla can probably power through his ranged assault to get within melee range. Kiryu is good in melee, but MV Godzilla is simply better and stronger. Godzilla lays Kiryu/G54 to rest and takes the W.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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I'd say the two are equals in terms of hand-to-hand combat with Kiryu's other weapons giving the machine the advantage. It's pretty much short range vs long range between the two with air support from Mothra. Kiryu has only one move that can give him the win. Though is rather weak in a fight, her scales added to attacking wisely should help Mothra give Kiryu the chance to use the Absolute Zero Cannon. Thanks to being on Kiryu being on equal footing plus the numbers advantage and having just the right tools makes me give Kiryu and Mothra the win by a thin margin.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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The thing that wins this for Godzilla is he doesn't like to use his beam until he's pinned down/has the foe at his mercy. So Mothra's pollen is not nearly enough of a problem. IMO, Kiryu goes down first. Godzilla is gonna D I S M A N T L E him, and while Kiryu bas some good hand to hand, Godzilla is bulkier and hits harder. Mothra will be an issue but again, he proably won't pull out the beam for a while and he can easily tear into her when she gets close/supersonic tail her out like the male M.U.T.O.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Godzilla is outright stronger than Kiryu and would win decisively in a melee encounter. No question. His durability I would say is even greater than that of Goji 02/03 with a breath that can seriously impair his foes, but there are 2 things that makes him absolutely lose this match.

1) This is not a 1v1 but a 2v1
2) Absolute Zero

2v1:
I stress the 2v1 situation because in a 1v1 fight, Kiryu would never have the opportunity to use Absolute zero and Mothra doesn't have the firepower or durability to outlast Godzilla, but in a 2v1, these flaws are covered by the strengths of the ally.

Mothra is incredibly agile, possesses a technique to nulify Godzilla's atomic flame, and some decent physical attacks to keep Godzilla's attention.

Meanwhile, Kiryu's agility can allow him to traverse the battlefield, evade the atomic blast and control the battle at a distance with his varied arsenal. Or in this fight, unleash an instant KO move if Godzilla is distracted. Hell, Godzilla never even needs to use his atomic flame to detonate Mothra's scales. Kiryu can just use his own maser. Now onto my second point:

Absolute Zero:
While Godzilla has the tools to win this fight, its over a long period of time. Absolute Zero makes it so if Godzilla is EVER distracted, an opening appears for his demise. On the flipside, Kiryu and Mothra have shown to be able to dodge the atomic ray, making it that much harder for MV Godzilla to end this quickly.
GodzillavsRayquaza wrote:So, as we know, the two Mutos would have killed 2014 Godzilla had Brody not lit their nest on fire. So, it can easily be said that MV Godzilla does not do well in 1v2s, thus giving his foes here an advantage. This is a fair assessment, however:

The Muto pair were specifically evolved to both work together and to overcome members of Godzilla’s species. The former gives them an edge over most duos in terms of synchronization, and the latter an edge over Godzilla specifically. Kiryu and Mothra, though they would work well together, would not be as coordinated as the Muto pair
Excellent point, but their synchronization doesn't need to be top tier. Mothra just needs to distract Godzilla long enough for Kiryu to unleash Absolute Zero. Godzilla, even in 2019, was distracted and didn't notice when Ghidorah grabbed the power grid until it was too late. I'm not saying this is a crippling flaw of the character, just a note that Godzilla has been shown to be distracted. Something a 2v1 situation will make far worse and it wouldn't matter if the pair didn't have a weapon to take advantage of it. In this case. they most certainty do.

Kiryu and Mothra might not be well versed in their legendary opponent, but their agility, varied techniques and ability to end the fight deciviesly will ensure Godzilla's chances of victory are absolutely zero.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Just popping in to remind people that Kiryu only goes HAM when he's manually piloted by Akane. Otherwise he just pushes and shoves like Kiryugoji.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Breakdown wrote:Just popping in to remind people that Kiryu only goes HAM when he's manually piloted by Akane. Otherwise he just pushes and shoves like Kiryugoji.
Just in general, are we assuming Kiryu is rogue for this fight, can be piloted by Akane or is piloted by "Random human."
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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Just popping in to say Kiryu is rogue, but he can fight like he’s being piloted by Akane.
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Re: The Voyager Cup R4 - Kiryu (2002) + Mothra (2003, Imago) vs Godzilla (MV)

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The way this Godzilla slugs his weight around with his swings alone can knock Kiryu to the ground, and i don't think Kiryu would last in a groundgame with MV Godzilla. Mothra would be an irritant at most.

Only way Kiryu and Mothra could take Godzilla out is if they did the distract/Absolute Zero Cannon trick. But since we're talking about a rogue Kiryu, i doubt he'll be much use since he wouldn't be able to come up with a plan of attack with Mothra.
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Yeah rogue Kiryu fights NOTHING like he does when Akane's piloting him. It's either one or the other.
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Breakdown wrote:Yeah rogue Kiryu fights NOTHING like he does when Akane's piloting him. It's either one or the other.
Akane has been piloting him manually. It’s been retconned in now.
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Breakdown wrote:Yeah rogue Kiryu fights NOTHING like he does when Akane's piloting him. It's either one or the other.
Akane has been piloting him manually. It’s been retconned in now.
Agreed. Rogue wouldn't have the combat prowess to use Absolute Zero but Akane is human and will quickly realize its her ONLY way to win.
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