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Jermobooka wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:12 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 am Showa MG (especially ‘75) is the peak of Mechas in the Godzilla pantheon. He makes all other MGs look like total chumps. MG Heisei is literally a silver, blander Heisei Godzilla, Kiryu is fine, but looks like Godzilla in armour, as Keizer said, Anime MG is a clusterskreeonk, RPO MG is the most safe, boring thing yet, and MV MG is just metal Godzilla with disgusting arms.
Question. Why does everyone love Showa MG damn much? Don’t get me wrong, I really like Showa. Currently my second favorite MG design/incarnation but...what’s the big draw that makes it so much better than the others? I honestly don’t get it lol
Because he’s so damn cool. Showa has this funk, jazz and element of straight up badassery that no other Mech in the franchise has. I can give some examples if you wish, but I’d rather not have to post them unless you want me to, I’m lazy.
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Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:16 pm MonsterVerse MG is stupid, boring, unoriginal and did I say it’s stupid? It’s honestly one of the designs I despise the most. Heck, I’d take Anime MG over it. Atleast that has an original design.
Shredder originated in TMNT #1 way back when, and Metroplex came out in Transformers back in the 80s. So no, Anime MG is not original at all.

MV MG is the first time we're getting Ghidorah piloting Mechagodzilla, first time we have a kaiju with arms that are long enough to actually knock Godzilla on his ass and drag him around repeatedly. It also functions how a human made mech would, janky, towered, and propulsion based.
By original, I really mean in the Godzilla franchise. Can you really call anything original if you take outside subjects? Ghidorah? Nah bro, Orochi did it first, therefore, bad design.

Now to your other paragraph.

1. Ok sure, I’ll give you that... halfly. It’s similar to Kiryu being piloted by the soul of Godzilla when it’s enraged.
2. Orga, but he never used those arms, and MUTO, but you know, kinda hard to grab without fingers.
3. Uhh, sure? Kinda seems like Pacific Rim to me.
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Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:47 pm
Jermobooka wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:12 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 am Showa MG (especially ‘75) is the peak of Mechas in the Godzilla pantheon. He makes all other MGs look like total chumps. MG Heisei is literally a silver, blander Heisei Godzilla, Kiryu is fine, but looks like Godzilla in armour, as Keizer said, Anime MG is a clusterskreeonk, RPO MG is the most safe, boring thing yet, and MV MG is just metal Godzilla with disgusting arms.
Question. Why does everyone love Showa MG damn much? Don’t get me wrong, I really like Showa. Currently my second favorite MG design/incarnation but...what’s the big draw that makes it so much better than the others? I honestly don’t get it lol
Because he’s so damn cool. Showa has this funk, jazz and element of straight up badassery that no other Mech in the franchise has. I can give some examples if you wish, but I’d rather not have to post them unless you want me to, I’m lazy.
_JNavs_ wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:47 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:16 pm MonsterVerse MG is stupid, boring, unoriginal and did I say it’s stupid? It’s honestly one of the designs I despise the most. Heck, I’d take Anime MG over it. Atleast that has an original design.
Not to argue semantics of "original" but Mechani-Kong was already pulling the evil robot duplicate thing years before Showa Mechagodzilla appeared.
Shredder originated in TMNT #1 way back when, and Metroplex came out in Transformers back in the 80s. So no, Anime MG is not original at all.

MV MG is the first time we're getting Ghidorah piloting Mechagodzilla, first time we have a kaiju with arms that are long enough to actually knock Godzilla on his ass and drag him around repeatedly. It also functions how a human made mech would, janky, towered, and propulsion based.
By original, I really mean in the Godzilla franchise. Can you really call anything original if you take outside subjects? Ghidorah? Nah bro, Orochi did it first, therefore, bad design.

Now to your other paragraph.

1. Ok sure, I’ll give you that... halfly. It’s similar to Kiryu being piloted by the soul of Godzilla when it’s enraged.
2. Orga, but he never used those arms, and MUTO, but you know, kinda hard to grab without fingers.
3. Uhh, sure? Kinda seems like Pacific Rim to me.
Uh Mechani-Kong was already an evil robo duplicate years before Mechagodzilla appeared in the Showa. If we are pulling threads at "original" well fair is fair.
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godjacob wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:06 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:47 pm
Jermobooka wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:12 pm

Question. Why does everyone love Showa MG damn much? Don’t get me wrong, I really like Showa. Currently my second favorite MG design/incarnation but...what’s the big draw that makes it so much better than the others? I honestly don’t get it lol
Because he’s so damn cool. Showa has this funk, jazz and element of straight up badassery that no other Mech in the franchise has. I can give some examples if you wish, but I’d rather not have to post them unless you want me to, I’m lazy.
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Not to argue semantics of "original" but Mechani-Kong was already pulling the evil robot duplicate thing years before Showa Mechagodzilla appeared.
Shredder originated in TMNT #1 way back when, and Metroplex came out in Transformers back in the 80s. So no, Anime MG is not original at all.

MV MG is the first time we're getting Ghidorah piloting Mechagodzilla, first time we have a kaiju with arms that are long enough to actually knock Godzilla on his ass and drag him around repeatedly. It also functions how a human made mech would, janky, towered, and propulsion based.
By original, I really mean in the Godzilla franchise. Can you really call anything original if you take outside subjects? Ghidorah? Nah bro, Orochi did it first, therefore, bad design.

Now to your other paragraph.

1. Ok sure, I’ll give you that... halfly. It’s similar to Kiryu being piloted by the soul of Godzilla when it’s enraged.
2. Orga, but he never used those arms, and MUTO, but you know, kinda hard to grab without fingers.
3. Uhh, sure? Kinda seems like Pacific Rim to me.
Uh Mechani-Kong was already an evil robo duplicate years before Mechagodzilla appeared in the Showa. If we are pulling threads at "original" well fair is fair.
Aside from being Robot Duplicates... they’re not all that similar. Just to name a few differences:

1. MG is an Alien Superweapon, MK is a human invention.
2. MG attempted to frame Godzilla as a destructive beast, where as MK is kind of just a means to an end.

The point is, I just think that MonsterVerse MG is just an unoriginal mish-mash of previous MG’s with a boring design.

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Jermobooka wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:12 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 am Showa MG (especially ‘75) is the peak of Mechas in the Godzilla pantheon. He makes all other MGs look like total chumps. MG Heisei is literally a silver, blander Heisei Godzilla, Kiryu is fine, but looks like Godzilla in armour, as Keizer said, Anime MG is a clusterskreeonk, RPO MG is the most safe, boring thing yet, and MV MG is just metal Godzilla with disgusting arms.
Question. Why does everyone love Showa MG damn much? Don’t get me wrong, I really like Showa. Currently my second favorite MG design/incarnation but...what’s the big draw that makes it so much better than the others? I honestly don’t get it lol
For one thing, it was, up until a few weeks ago, the only evil Mechagodzilla in existence.

It's still the only alien built Mechagodzilla. (The anime trilogy doesn't count.)

It's the only Mechagodzilla that had a legit reason for looking like Godzilla; and in doing so predated the Terminator by a full decade.

Subjectively speaking, but in my opinion, it has the best Mechagodzilla movie in Terror of Mechagodzilla.

Also subjectively speaking, and again in my opinion, it has the best design of any Mechagodzilla. Maybe even the best powers. Those finger missiles are iconic.
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Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:04 am
godjacob wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:06 pm
Voyager wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:47 pm

Because he’s so damn cool. Showa has this funk, jazz and element of straight up badassery that no other Mech in the franchise has. I can give some examples if you wish, but I’d rather not have to post them unless you want me to, I’m lazy.



By original, I really mean in the Godzilla franchise. Can you really call anything original if you take outside subjects? Ghidorah? Nah bro, Orochi did it first, therefore, bad design.

Now to your other paragraph.

1. Ok sure, I’ll give you that... halfly. It’s similar to Kiryu being piloted by the soul of Godzilla when it’s enraged.
2. Orga, but he never used those arms, and MUTO, but you know, kinda hard to grab without fingers.
3. Uhh, sure? Kinda seems like Pacific Rim to me.
Uh Mechani-Kong was already an evil robo duplicate years before Mechagodzilla appeared in the Showa. If we are pulling threads at "original" well fair is fair.
Aside from being Robot Duplicates... they’re not all that similar. Just to name a few differences:

1. MG is an Alien Superweapon, MK is a human invention.
2. MG attempted to frame Godzilla as a destructive beast, where as MK is kind of just a means to an end.

The point is, I just think that MonsterVerse MG is just an unoriginal mish-mash of previous MG’s with a boring design.

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Jermobooka wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:12 pm

Question. Why does everyone love Showa MG damn much? Don’t get me wrong, I really like Showa. Currently my second favorite MG design/incarnation but...what’s the big draw that makes it so much better than the others? I honestly don’t get it lol
For one thing, it was, up until a few weeks ago, the only evil Mechagodzilla in existence.

It's still the only alien built Mechagodzilla. (The anime trilogy doesn't count.)

It's the only Mechagodzilla that had a legit reason for looking like Godzilla; and in doing so predated the Terminator by a full decade.

Subjectively speaking, but in my opinion, it has the best Mechagodzilla movie in Terror of Mechagodzilla.

Also subjectively speaking, and again in my opinion, it has the best design of any Mechagodzilla. Maybe even the best powers. Those finger missiles are iconic.
This. We may not agree on some things KK, but this is something we can agree on, 100%.
The point was less that Mechani-Kong and Mechgodzilla are exact copies of each other and more you could easily pull similarities from them (Evil duplicate of their foe, made by an ambitious evildoer who ends up capturing the heroes etc.) but you focus on what is different. Yet seem to ignore this when comparing Showa MG to other MGs especially the MV once and call them all unoriginal.

Just seems a bit too selective.
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godjacob wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:15 am
Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:04 am
godjacob wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:06 pm

Uh Mechani-Kong was already an evil robo duplicate years before Mechagodzilla appeared in the Showa. If we are pulling threads at "original" well fair is fair.
Aside from being Robot Duplicates... they’re not all that similar. Just to name a few differences:

1. MG is an Alien Superweapon, MK is a human invention.
2. MG attempted to frame Godzilla as a destructive beast, where as MK is kind of just a means to an end.

The point is, I just think that MonsterVerse MG is just an unoriginal mish-mash of previous MG’s with a boring design.

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For one thing, it was, up until a few weeks ago, the only evil Mechagodzilla in existence.

It's still the only alien built Mechagodzilla. (The anime trilogy doesn't count.)

It's the only Mechagodzilla that had a legit reason for looking like Godzilla; and in doing so predated the Terminator by a full decade.

Subjectively speaking, but in my opinion, it has the best Mechagodzilla movie in Terror of Mechagodzilla.

Also subjectively speaking, and again in my opinion, it has the best design of any Mechagodzilla. Maybe even the best powers. Those finger missiles are iconic.
This. We may not agree on some things KK, but this is something we can agree on, 100%.
The point was less that Mechani-Kong and Mechgodzilla are exact copies of each other and more you could easily pull similarities from them (Evil duplicate of their foe, made by an ambitious evildoer who ends up capturing the heroes etc.) but you focus on what is different. Yet seem to ignore this when comparing Showa MG to other MGs especially the MV once and call them all unoriginal.

Just seems a bit too selective.
Ok, we’ll do it your way.

MVMG is built around Kaiju remains to subdue Godzilla.
The Kaiju remains take over and make it go berserk.

Also, you’re misrepresenting what I said. I never called all MGs unoriginal, only the MV one. I may not like the other MG’s but I never called them unoriginal :roll: Don’t go around generalising what I (and others) say.

EDIT: The makers catching the heroes? What does that have to do with the mech itself?
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Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:20 am
godjacob wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:15 am
Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:04 am

Aside from being Robot Duplicates... they’re not all that similar. Just to name a few differences:

1. MG is an Alien Superweapon, MK is a human invention.
2. MG attempted to frame Godzilla as a destructive beast, where as MK is kind of just a means to an end.

The point is, I just think that MonsterVerse MG is just an unoriginal mish-mash of previous MG’s with a boring design.

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This. We may not agree on some things KK, but this is something we can agree on, 100%.
The point was less that Mechani-Kong and Mechgodzilla are exact copies of each other and more you could easily pull similarities from them (Evil duplicate of their foe, made by an ambitious evildoer who ends up capturing the heroes etc.) but you focus on what is different. Yet seem to ignore this when comparing Showa MG to other MGs especially the MV once and call them all unoriginal.

Just seems a bit too selective.
Ok, we’ll do it your way.

MVMG is built around Kaiju remains to subdue Godzilla.
The Kaiju remains take over and make it go berserk.

Also, you’re misrepresenting what I said. I never called all MGs unoriginal, only the MV one. I may not like the other MG’s but I never called them unoriginal :roll: Don’t go around generalising what I (and others) say.
Wasn't attempting to, just seemed to be what you argued with the MV one being highlighted. Just find the originality claim to be a bit selective for my taste, you are free to favor one version over others just feel this critique seems a touch unfair is all considering you overlook differences between MV MG and Kiryu vs. only focus on differences between Showa MG and Mechani-Kong.

I just think each Mechagodzilla is more distant of each other than not. And gravitate to the one you find most appealing.
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godjacob wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:29 am
Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:20 am
godjacob wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:15 am

The point was less that Mechani-Kong and Mechgodzilla are exact copies of each other and more you could easily pull similarities from them (Evil duplicate of their foe, made by an ambitious evildoer who ends up capturing the heroes etc.) but you focus on what is different. Yet seem to ignore this when comparing Showa MG to other MGs especially the MV once and call them all unoriginal.

Just seems a bit too selective.
Ok, we’ll do it your way.

MVMG is built around Kaiju remains to subdue Godzilla.
The Kaiju remains take over and make it go berserk.

Also, you’re misrepresenting what I said. I never called all MGs unoriginal, only the MV one. I may not like the other MG’s but I never called them unoriginal :roll: Don’t go around generalising what I (and others) say.
Wasn't attempting to, just seemed to be what you argued with the MV one being highlighted. Just find the originality claim to be a bit selective for my taste, you are free to favor one version over others just feel this critique seems a touch unfair is all considering you overlook differences between MV MG and Kiryu vs. only focus on differences between Showa MG and Mechani-Kong.

I just think each Mechagodzilla is more distant of each other than not. And gravitate to the one you find most appealing.
Well doesn’t that go to show that this whole similarities and differences is a bit stupid? How about we truce and call it a draw? This is edging towards a flame war, I can sense it.
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Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:26 am Well doesn’t that go to show that this whole similarities and differences is a bit stupid? How about we truce and call it a draw? This is edging towards a flame war, I can sense it.
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Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:26 am
godjacob wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:29 am
Voyager wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:20 am

Ok, we’ll do it your way.

MVMG is built around Kaiju remains to subdue Godzilla.
The Kaiju remains take over and make it go berserk.

Also, you’re misrepresenting what I said. I never called all MGs unoriginal, only the MV one. I may not like the other MG’s but I never called them unoriginal :roll: Don’t go around generalising what I (and others) say.
Wasn't attempting to, just seemed to be what you argued with the MV one being highlighted. Just find the originality claim to be a bit selective for my taste, you are free to favor one version over others just feel this critique seems a touch unfair is all considering you overlook differences between MV MG and Kiryu vs. only focus on differences between Showa MG and Mechani-Kong.

I just think each Mechagodzilla is more distant of each other than not. And gravitate to the one you find most appealing.
Well doesn’t that go to show that this whole similarities and differences is a bit stupid? How about we truce and call it a draw? This is edging towards a flame war, I can sense it.
Sounds fair to me, rather keep it "discussion" and not turn it to a fight.
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- Here We Go is unironically a bop.

- Godzilla Junior's theme is beautiful but worked better when Ifukube initially composed it for Kong and Susan in Escapes then in any Heisei film.

- Rodan is the only kaiju I would be ok being presented as more accurate to his intended species. This is why I don't mind SP, I think the classic Rodan deisgn has kind of been done the best it can/kind of played out
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What about Rodan, but he's actually just a really big Macaw.
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_JNavs_ wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:47 am What about Rodan, but he's actually just a really big Macaw.
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_JNavs_ wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:47 am What about Rodan, but he's actually just a really big Macaw.
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_JNavs_ wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:47 am What about Rodan, but he's actually just a really big Macaw.
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I was waiting to see Godzilla vs Kong at the theater but now its not opening till mid May. In all honesty I don't think I even care if I see it anymore. I just have no drive to bother watching it.
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Kaiju-King42 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:16 am
_JNavs_ wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:47 am What about Rodan, but he's actually just a really big Macaw.
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Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 pm I was waiting to see Godzilla vs Kong at the theater but now its not opening till mid May. In all honesty I don't think I even care if I see it anymore. I just have no drive to bother watching it.
To be honest...... you ain't missing much. It's a good film but it's not that great. I do reccomend watching it in theaters at least once just for the experience and bragging rights. But the film is far far from perfect.

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To be honest, i'd rather see a Godzilla vs. Ultraman movie than a Godzilla vs. Gamera movie at this point. There's a ton of potential in a GVU crossover and mixing the mythologies. a Gamera crossover.. i know that has the same amount of potential but i've lost interest in it happening.
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goji89 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:28 pm To be honest...... you ain't missing much. It's a good film but it's not that great. I do reccomend watching it in theaters at least once just for the experience and bragging rights. But the film is far far from perfect.
Did you go in thinking it was G89 vs Kong, is that the issue
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_JNavs_ wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:55 pm
goji89 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:28 pm To be honest...... you ain't missing much. It's a good film but it's not that great. I do reccomend watching it in theaters at least once just for the experience and bragging rights. But the film is far far from perfect.
Did you go in thinking it was G89 vs Kong, is that the issue
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