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2009MECHAGODZILLA wrote:Godzilla sucks
GODZILLA DON'T SUCK!

GODZILLA SCRAPE AND LICK!

SCRAPE

AND LICK
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SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:
2009MECHAGODZILLA wrote:Godzilla sucks
GODZILLA DON'T SUCK!

GODZILLA SCRAPE AND LICK!

SCRAPE

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I think some fans worry too much about continuity and canon in the film series. To start, this is a film series where the title character was definitely killed in the 1st movie. Events from pervious movies were hardly ever mentioned, or just in quick mention in passing. Then there is watching Destroy All Monsters as the last Showa movie, because it took place in 1999. It's like watching Stanley Kubrick films in order, but you have to watch "2001: A Space Odyssey" last because it takes place in 2001 not 1968. DAM is the end of the Golden Age, a last extravaganza before the more limited Championship Festival films. Ideas, and stock footage, from DAM are used in the Champion Festival films, and to move it to the end is silly. If you want to watch the last Showa film, watch Return of Godzilla.

Then there is the creation of vast interconnected timelines trying to place all the films in some short of order, even though events in the movie don't really work that way. People are always trying to include Gorath where the Earth is moved from it's orbit, costal cities flooded, and the moon is destroyed.

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szmigiel wrote:I think some fans worry too much about continuity and canon in the film series. To start, this is a film series where the title character was definitely killed in the 1st movie. Events from pervious movies were hardly ever mentioned, or just in quick mention in passing. Then there is watching Destroy All Monsters as the last Showa movie, because it took place in 1999. It's like watching Stanley Kubrick films in order, but you have to watch "2001: A Space Odyssey" last because it takes place in 2001 not 1968. DAM is the end of the Golden Age, a last extravaganza before the more limited Championship Festival films. Ideas, and stock footage, from DAM are used in the Champion Festival films, and to move it to the end is silly. If you want to watch the last Showa film, watch Return of Godzilla.

Then there is the creation of vast interconnected timelines trying to place all the films in some short of order, even though events in the movie don't really work that way. People are always trying to include Gorath where the Earth is moved from it's orbit, costal cities flooded, and the moon is destroyed.
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szmigiel wrote:I think some fans worry too much about continuity and canon in the film series.
Yeah, I've never understood why people try to fit all of Toho's tokusatsu films into one coherent timeline when there are so many contradictions. The increased obsession with close continuity in media franchises is what led to... well, the Heisei series.
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I feel like the only way to make Gorath even remotely work in a kaiju themed timeline is just do what the Kiryu Saga did: cut out Gorath itself and then just leave in Maguma. He's the thing most people remember about that movie anyway. :P
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tyrantgoji wrote:I feel like the only way to make Gorath even remotely work in a kaiju themed timeline is just do what the Kiryu Saga did: cut out Gorath itself and then just leave in Maguma. He's the thing most people remember about that movie anyway. :P
Actually Gorath is one of my favorite sci-fi flims of the Golden Showa Era, and I like the American edit where Maguma is cut out.

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szmigiel wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:I feel like the only way to make Gorath even remotely work in a kaiju themed timeline is just do what the Kiryu Saga did: cut out Gorath itself and then just leave in Maguma. He's the thing most people remember about that movie anyway. :P
Actually Gorath is one of my favorite sci-fi flims of the Golden Showa Era, and I like the American edit where Maguma is cut out.
I understand that Maguma is pretty uneeded, but i really can't see Gorath fitting in the Godzilla universe besides him.
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tyrantgoji wrote:I understand that Maguma is pretty uneeded, but i really can't see Gorath fitting in the Godzilla universe besides him.
It doesn't need to fit into a Godzilla universe, it can be enjoyed just as a Honda Sci-fi film from the Golden Era.

Does every Kurosawa film need to fit into some short of timeline to enjoy them? Do we need to create a timeline where we explain were every role played by Toshiro Mifune fits in?

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szmigiel wrote:[
It doesn't need to fit into a Godzilla universe, it can be enjoyed just as a Honda Sci-fi film from the Golden Era.
I'm not saying that it needs to fit. I'm just saying that if Toho tries to make it fit into the timeline later on that's the only way it can.
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tyrantgoji wrote:I'm not saying that it needs to fit. I'm just saying that if Toho tries to make it fit into the timeline later on that's the only way it can.
Toho doesn't make timelines, fans do.

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szmigiel wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:I'm not saying that it needs to fit. I'm just saying that if Toho tries to make it fit into the timeline later on that's the only way it can.
Toho doesn't make timelines, fans do.
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An official timeline of the Kiryu Saga events. So yes, Toho does make timelines.
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tyrantgoji wrote:Image

An official timeline of the Kiryu Saga events. So yes, Toho does make timelines.
That is a timeline of what Kaiju he choose to put in the Kiryu films, It shows the films they 1st appeared in and when it came out.
It list the release date of 1962, Gorath doesn't take place in 1962 it takes place in 1979.
Toho has always treated the Kaiju more as actors then as some sort of shared universe.

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szmigiel wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Image

An official timeline of the Kiryu Saga events. So yes, Toho does make timelines.
That is a timeline of what Kaiju he choose to put in the Kiryu films, It shows the films they 1st appeared in and when it came out.
It list the release date of 1962, Gorath doesn't take place in 1962 it takes place in 1979.
Toho has always treated the Kaiju more as actors then as some sort of shared universe.
This statement reminds me of the KOTM credits where they credit the main 4 titans as themselves.

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tyrantgoji wrote:An official timeline of the Kiryu Saga events. So yes, Toho does make timelines.
I took szmigiel's comments to mean the fanmade timelines that try to shoehorn every possible Toho movie into a singular universe.
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Terasawa wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:An official timeline of the Kiryu Saga events. So yes, Toho does make timelines.
I took szmigiel's comments to mean the fanmade timelines that try to shoehorn every possible Toho movie into a singular universe.
Unpopular Opinon: Those kinda get annoying when they're ALWAYS concruent. Like, do we really need each film to happen in it's exact release year? Especially when they don't line up (I remember the example of someone putting The Last War in a Showa timeline in 1961 then has the rest happen. You know the film that features a goverment unlike anything hinted in the Showaverse and ends with mankind wiped out in a nuclear war?)

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Building on this, this timeline has been noted on the mainsite and everywhere else that it's a list of WHEN the kaiju showed up. The only events that seem to be for sure one to one with the films are Godzilla, Mothra, War of The Gargantuas (due to stock footage but even that's weak) and possibly Atragon because the AZC
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I prefer the ROM design of Mothra over the Battle for Earth design when it comes to Heisei designs.

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Cryptid_Liker wrote:I prefer the ROM design of Mothra over the Battle for Earth design when it comes to Heisei designs.

What movie is ROM? I've learned that Battle For Earth was an alternate title for Godzilla vs Mothra, but I don't know which one ROM is.

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Cryptid_Liker wrote:I prefer the ROM design of Mothra over the Battle for Earth design when it comes to Heisei designs.

What movie is ROM? I've learned that Battle For Earth was an alternate title for Godzilla vs Mothra, but I don't know which one ROM is.
Rebirth of Mothra.
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Kaiju-Killer 751 wrote: What movie is ROM? I've learned that Battle For Earth was an alternate title for Godzilla vs Mothra, but I don't know which one ROM is.
That would be Rebirth of Mothra. EDIT: Ninja'd.
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