Final Wars: Why The Hate?

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby latinothor » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:33 am

Just don't be insulting others who like/dislike the movie.


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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:43 pm

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Kinggoji1962 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:00 pm

This movie is literally great, memorable characters, great kaiju AND human action (even though the kaiju action could be longer). Bottom line, I have no idea why people hate this movie.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby GojiDog » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:24 pm

I'm one of the few that is more in the middle with Final Wars. The reaction is always love or hate, and as I've said before, I can see both sides.

The movie has flaws (too much going on, a Minilla subplot that feels pointless, some confusing elements), but its ambition and effort kind of makes up for it (largest monster cast ever, most dynamic human action of any Godzilla film, and the attempt to basically reference Godzilla's entire history).

Final Wars has never been one of my favorites, but it is an interesting entry and one that is fun to pop on once in a while. And hey, I'll never accuse it of being boring or lazy.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Shobijin » Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 am

It's easy to understand why the movie is hated. It's a bad riff of The Matrix, the plot is recycled from previous G-Movies, Godzilla takes a back seat to the mutant vs alien war, and the director is too stylish with the long mutant vs alien combat scenes. The Minilla character arc is forced in the movie. It was billed as the 50th anniversary and last movie, so expectations were high.

On the other side of the coin I could see why it's loved: the roster of monsters is massive, the cast is sexy, the atmosphere and costumes are hip, the battles feel like a homage to Showa, and Don Frye was an interesting pick.

Like quite a few G movies, it feels like the main plot was created for a different movie and Godzilla was inserted into the film.

All the negatives aside, I envision myself rewatching clips from Final Wars more in the future.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby The Baranosdragon » Sat May 11, 2019 6:39 pm

Shobijin wrote:It's easy to understand why the movie is hated. It's a bad riff of The Matrix, the plot is recycled from previous G-Movies, Godzilla takes a back seat to the mutant vs alien war, and the director is too stylish with the long mutant vs alien combat scenes. The Minilla character arc is forced in the movie. It was billed as the 50th anniversary and last movie, so expectations were high.

On the other side of the coin I could see why it's loved: the roster of monsters is massive, the cast is sexy, the atmosphere and costumes are hip, the battles feel like a homage to Showa, and Don Frye was an interesting pick.

Like quite a few G movies, it feels like the main plot was created for a different movie and Godzilla was inserted into the film.

All the negatives aside, I envision myself rewatching clips from Final Wars more in the future.


This summarizes it quite well. As an anniversary film, Final Wars doesn't do much well at all; it homages completely unrelated films, it has a completely off tone in comparison to the other Godzilla films, the pacing and storytelling overall are incredibly strange... you understand the idea.

Final Wars seems to be divisive among Godzilla fans, but in my experience, older fans tend to dislike it, while younger fans are the reverse. All things considered, it does make sense; not only is Final Wars, bluntly put, incredibly juvenile, younger fans also have the benefit of hindsight. In other words, Final Wars is simply another one of the older Godzilla movies for them, while older fans may have been under the impression that Final Wars would set a new standard for Godzilla at the time. Fortunately, this has since been proven to be incorrect.

When all is said and done, I find Final Wars to be enjoyable enough if you are willing to turn your brain off, and accept it for what it is. Even so, I completely understand why many dislike it, even if they try to enjoy it.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Saansilt » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:30 pm

Final Wars is not Juvenile. It just doesn’t care about even trying to be serious.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby JAGzilla » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:02 am

Throwing GINO in there to be massacred by Da Real King was pretty immature.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Gojirawars 03 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:15 am

This is still the best Millenium movie, easily. Only one aside from GMK that I ever rewatch regularly.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby SoggyNoodles2016 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:35 pm

Gojirawars 03 wrote:This is still the best Millenium movie, easily. Only one aside from GMK that I ever rewatch regularly.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Gojirawars 03 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:32 pm

SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:
Gojirawars 03 wrote:This is still the best Millenium movie, easily. Only one aside from GMK that I ever rewatch regularly.

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Yes. 2000 is a boring, uninspired film that feels like it’s trying to be a Heisei film without any of the quality those films provided.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Terasawa » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:55 am

GMK, despite being one of the most overrated Godzilla films, is the best Millennium film.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Godzillian » Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:33 am

Gojirawars 03 wrote:
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:
Gojirawars 03 wrote:This is still the best Millenium movie, easily. Only one aside from GMK that I ever rewatch regularly.

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Yes. 2000 is a boring, uninspired film that feels like it’s trying to be a Heisei film without any of the quality those films provided.

Yet it's still a better film than GFW since it doesn't have mindless action, boring fight scenes, uninspired villains, an unoriginal plot, and shameless Hollywood "tributes"
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby szmigiel » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:23 am

Godzillian wrote:Yet it's still a better film than GFW since it doesn't have mindless action, boring fight scenes, uninspired villains, an unoriginal plot, and shameless Hollywood "tributes"

That's how I feel about the 2nd half of the Heisei series and G2K, but view GFW as something refreshing.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Terasawa » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:44 pm

Godzillian wrote:shameless Hollywood "tributes"


Not to undermine your point, because I believe for its faults G2K is a better movie than Final Wars, but I think there are actually a number of shots and scenes in G2K that are clearly meant to reference G98.

The first example is admittedly pretty tenuous, and it's not at all obvious in the screengrabs I had to settle for either. But the other three are pretty clear cut to me. Take the second set for example: in both movies, our heroes are face to face with Godzilla and accidentally take a photo of Godzilla as a nervous reaction. (Toho also apes Jurassic Park by having Godzilla exhale on the windshield, ala the T-Rex.)

I also think the Millennian UFO's weapon that blows the skyscraper up from top to bottom could be a visual nod to Independence Day, but I'm also willing to accept that may have been a coincidence.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Omegazilla » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:29 pm

GojiDog wrote:I'm one of the few that is more in the middle with Final Wars. The reaction is always love or hate, and as I've said before, I can see both sides.

The movie has flaws (too much going on, a Minilla subplot that feels pointless, some confusing elements), but its ambition and effort kind of makes up for it (largest monster cast ever, most dynamic human action of any Godzilla film, and the attempt to basically reference Godzilla's entire history).

Final Wars has never been one of my favorites, but it is an interesting entry and one that is fun to pop on once in a while. And hey, I'll accuse it of being boring or lazy.

I am with you on this. This movie is not hated by myself but is far from a personal favorite as well. I think one of the reasons it is so hated is because this was supposed to be some epic finale before Godzilla got put on hold. It is a mediocre finale, but if you treat it as a standalone movie without that context and throw logic out the window it has its moments. Watching Zilla get owned never gets old.

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Showa Gojira » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:58 pm

I can understand the hate and as the 50th anniversary film it isn't as good as it ought to be. That being said I do love the movie for being balls to the walls crazy while also being pretty damn entertaining. As much as I wish the fights lasted longer I do love this incarnation of Godzilla, he's probably my second favorite after Showa Godzilla. Godzilla movies are great because there are thought provoking, meaningful films that touch upon the issues of the day. Then there are movies that are just meant to be entertaining. This movie falls into the later category and there's nothing wrong with that if you ask me.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Gailah 1966 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:55 am

It´s not all bad in GWF but the biggest contra is the respectless handling with all the kaiju who attended Godzilla on his very successful way.
Anguirus, Rodan and Hedorah came too short i.m.o.
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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Omegamorph » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:42 pm

Terasawa wrote:
Godzillian wrote:shameless Hollywood "tributes"


Not to undermine your point, because I believe for its faults G2K is a better movie than Final Wars, but I think there are actually a number of shots and scenes in G2K that are clearly meant to reference G98 [...]

Don't forget this scene-

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which apes this one, with the same camera angle and Godzilla sweeping past camera

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IIRC, some preliminary G2000 designs had also 98-like elements, such as a row of spines lining the throat

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Re: Final Wars: Why The Hate?

Postby Godzilla2004fan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:38 pm

I believe that the Hate is due to the great amount of action, the short battles and the little screen time Godzilla has in the film. Still, I do not see why they hate the movie, but who am I to question that.
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