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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:35 pm

Hate the “Made for TV” quality this film sports.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby jackzilla » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:58 am

To me this is in the middle of the franchise in terms of ranking. It's not one of the best of the franchise, but it's not one of the worst either. It has plenty of issues, but it's a fun one overall. I don't understand why some people would consider it one of the worst of the series though. I was baffled when I saw a couple previous post call it "one of the top five worst". It's not THAT bad.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby eabaker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:08 am

jackzilla wrote:To me this is in the middle of the franchise in terms of ranking. It's not one of the best of the franchise, but it's not one of the worst either. It has plenty of issues, but it's a fun one overall. I don't understand why some people would consider it one of the worst of the series though. I was baffled when I saw a couple previous post call it "one of the top five worst". It's not THAT bad.

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I was with you right up until that last sentence, which strikes me as utter, vertiginous madness.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:20 pm

jackzilla wrote:To me this is in the middle of the franchise in terms of ranking. It's not one of the best of the franchise, but it's not one of the worst either. It has plenty of issues, but it's a fun one overall. I don't understand why some people would consider it one of the worst of the series though. I was baffled when I saw a couple previous post call it "one of the top five worst". It's not THAT bad.

Unpopular Opinion: Godzilla vs Megagurius is better than Godzilla vs Biollantie, YEAH I SAID IT


I enjoy this movie a lot. I love the suit design, it's my favorite design, I love the scene with the Godzilla getting attacked by the Meganulon and I love the sci-fi element of the black-hole. The battle with Megagurius is cool. Yes, I like this movie more than Godzilla vs. Biollante.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby jackzilla » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:29 pm

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jackzilla wrote:To me this is in the middle of the franchise in terms of ranking. It's not one of the best of the franchise, but it's not one of the worst either. It has plenty of issues, but it's a fun one overall. I don't understand why some people would consider it one of the worst of the series though. I was baffled when I saw a couple previous post call it "one of the top five worst". It's not THAT bad.

Unpopular Opinion: Godzilla vs Megagurius is better than Godzilla vs Biollantie, YEAH I SAID IT


I enjoy this movie a lot. I love the suit design, it's my favorite design, I love the scene with the Godzilla getting attacked by the Meganulon and I love the sci-fi element of the black-hole. The battle with Megagurius is cool. Yes, I like this movie more than Godzilla vs. Biollante.


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But anyway...yeah, I think this movie isn't anything great, but it's a fun one overall. I think Megagurius is a really cool looking monster. And yes, I think it's better than Biollante :P
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Dr. Professor » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:54 am

I find Godzilla vs. Biollante to be extremely overrated, but I still prefer it over this one. But I will say that one thing Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has over GvB is that it doesn't grind to a halt when Godzilla shows up. The Godzilla scenes in GvM elevate the film, which is how it should be. However, the human characters are either so incredibly dull or obnoxious that the rest of the film is a pain to sit through, which is absolutely not how it should be. So basically both films are boring as poop in my opinion, but for completely opposite reasons.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby OneMillionTomsBC » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:40 am

I loved this movie. Underrated as hell. One of my favorite moments was Godzilla has Megaguirus pinned down and lunges to bite it, misses, and comes back up with a mouth full of trains and debris. Classic cheese. Throwing a black hole at Godzilla doesn't destroy the earth or Godzilla either. It's an amazing movie. :D

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Maritonic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:49 am

Really dislike the main guy in this movie. The one thing I DO enjoy in this is the intro of Godzilla in older attacks. That's neat. The final fight is so...eesh. I don't know, man. This has been in my bottom 5 for a very long time, and no matter how many times I try it's never broken out of that ranking. I can't really find much redeemable about it for me personally.

Re: Biollante. I'll agree that's a VERY overrated movie around here, but man...Megaguirus better than Biollante? Nah.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Godzillian » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:14 am

What do you guys like about the final battle so much? I'm not attacking you or anything, just curious. To me its just Godzilla wrestling with a stiff puppet for 5 min. Most of the "best" moments from it are the comedic stuff like Godzillas body slam or Mega dropping the building on Godzillas head. I do agree that the swarm attacking Godzilla is one cool sequence. GVM was something I didn't mind as a kid and now that I' older its flaws just get more and more obvious everytime I see it.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Maritonic » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:15 am

Godzillian wrote:What do you guys like about the final battle so much? I'm not attacking you or anything, just curious. To me its just Godzilla wrestling with a stiff puppet for 5 min. Most of the "best" moments from it are the comedic stuff like Godzillas body slam or Mega dropping the building on Godzillas head. I do agree that the swarm attacking Godzilla is one cool sequence. GVM was something I didn't mind as a kid and now that I' older its flaws just get more and more obvious everytime I see it.


Agree with every single thing you say here. The swarm is pretty cool, but I've never understood the love for the final fight.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Godzillian » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:17 am

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Godzillian wrote:What do you guys like about the final battle so much? I'm not attacking you or anything, just curious. To me its just Godzilla wrestling with a stiff puppet for 5 min. Most of the "best" moments from it are the comedic stuff like Godzillas body slam or Mega dropping the building on Godzillas head. I do agree that the swarm attacking Godzilla is one cool sequence. GVM was something I didn't mind as a kid and now that I' older its flaws just get more and more obvious everytime I see it.


Agree with every single thing you say here. The swarm is pretty cool, but I've never understood the love for the final fight.

Megaguirus isn't even that interesting as an enemy kaiju. We don't see it do anything as a threat to the humans, other than when she hatches she just pops up on que to battle Godzilla. I'm glad we have an old man telling us how terrible she is and what a horrible thing she is rather than us seeing her attack a city or aggressivly go after a jet liner or something.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:48 am

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jackzilla wrote:To me this is in the middle of the franchise in terms of ranking. It's not one of the best of the franchise, but it's not one of the worst either. It has plenty of issues, but it's a fun one overall. I don't understand why some people would consider it one of the worst of the series though. I was baffled when I saw a couple previous post call it "one of the top five worst". It's not THAT bad.

Unpopular Opinion: Godzilla vs Megagurius is better than Godzilla vs Biollantie, YEAH I SAID IT


I enjoy this movie a lot. I love the suit design, it's my favorite design, I love the scene with the Godzilla getting attacked by the Meganulon and I love the sci-fi element of the black-hole. The battle with Megagurius is cool. Yes, I like this movie more than Godzilla vs. Biollante.


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But anyway...yeah, I think this movie isn't anything great, but it's a fun one overall. I think Megagurius is a really cool looking monster. And yes, I think it's better than Biollante :P

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby OneMillionTomsBC » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:02 am

I don't think Megaguirus is very remarkable really, the design looks cool but I have the same feelings about it as I do with MUTO, typical Godzilla bug enemy but the movie itself is fun and cheesy and easy to laugh at.

I think Biollante is the better film though. Kiss you guys...

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Terasawa » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:39 pm

This movie has one of the least focused narratives in the entire series and that's a huge reason why I've never liked it. Kiriko wants to stop Godzilla because her commanding officer sacrificed himself during Godzilla's previous rampage to save her. She spends the rest of the film trying to get even with Godzilla. There's also the business about Godzilla returning to Japan each time a new energy source is introduced. This is an interesting and totally underdeveloped idea (also underdeveloped in G2K - by the same writers) that I think should have been the basis for the movie. Think about it: Godzilla is an allegory for mankind's unscrupulous use of nuclear power. How cool would it have been if the movie was about Japan trying to defeat Godzilla for the sake of using nuclear energy? It's an interesting inversion of the message of the 1954 film.

There's also the Dimension Tide, a superweapon that's probably man's only hope of defeating the KOTM. Its use accidentally creates or transports or something (not clear in the movie) the Meganula which creates Megaguirus. It's like the Oxygen Destroyer (a device used for good - to destroy Godzilla - despite obviously being an even bigger threat to mankind) but without any of the moralizing or ethical decisions involved in its use. The Dimension Tide is a plot device; it brings our team together, introduces Godzilla's foe, and its use sets up the two big Godzilla set pieces.

Megaguirus reminds me more of a classic Gamera villain than anything else because its actions are not really related to anything Godzilla does. It and its spawn show up and flood Shibuya (more on this in a minute). Normally this is the point in a Godzilla film where the big guy shows up to do battle. Instead, the Meganula seek out Godzilla (how they know he's on an island hundreds of miles away is never explained) to attempt to feed on his energy. He destroys most of them... and really this sequence is there to give the Dimension Tide a reason to fail. They all sacrifice themselves to create Megaguirus, which only coincidentally enters into battle with Godzilla. It's destroyed after a minor battle and none of the prehistoric creatures are mentioned again. The monster battle isn't even the climax of the film, despite its title, and the only lasting impact Megaguirus has is the idea that its supersonic ability critically damaged the Dimension Tide.

The flooding of Shibuya is a cool concept that's also underdeveloped. I remember this was a big part of the promotion of the movie and I think everyone probably anticipated Godzilla and Megaguirus to square off in the flooded district. Nope: nothing comes of this idea either, it's just another failed set piece.

Here's a question for ya: how is it that Godzilla can sense Japan's energy sources from far away in the Pacific (even when the production of energy is halted!) but the Meganula can't? Clearly they're aware of Godzilla over hundreds of miles and they swarm to him to tap his energy. Maybe the clean energy generators aren't what they need. Still this is poor writing that shows ideas are introduced with little reasoning just to get the monsters somewhere else.

The whole movie is crammed full of ideas that don't really lead anywhere. Not much critical thought was put into this movie. None of the characters undergo any kind of change. Kiriko only gives up her commander's dogtags - a symbolic but meaningless change considering her act of bravery didn't stop Godzilla. In fact, the last scene before the end credits sets up the idea that the G-Graspers are trying to get the team back together to try again. Nothing is changed except that maybe there won't be another remarkable failed technology to create new monsters next time.

To be fair, I could use these criticisms for nearly all the Godzilla films. But they really stick out to me here. The screenplay is a mess and Tezuka has no visual identity as a director to save it. This might be one of the best "for the monster scenes" Godzilla movies because nothing else really works. And even the monster scenes are mostly average at best. It feels like one of the most perfunctory movies Toho ever churned out. It exists just because it was time to make another Godzilla movie. I don't like it.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Zarm » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:58 am

Bravo, Terasawa. A perfect rundown.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:04 am

Terasawa wrote:snip


Well done. Sums up exactly how I feel, but was unable to put into words as well as you have here.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:08 am

Basically agree with all of Teresawa's criticisms, and they're all reasons that this is a low-rung Godzilla movie for me.

That said, all three of Tezuka's G flicks are probably best described as perfunctory, and this one at least offers a little more fun than the other two, which just take themselves so damned seriously.
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Postby Terasawa » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:49 am

eabaker wrote:Basically agree with all of Teresawa's criticisms, and they're all reasons that this is a low-rung Godzilla movie for me.

That said, all three of Tezuka's G flicks are probably best described as perfunctory, and this one at least offers a little more fun than the other two, which just take themselves so damned seriously.


I’ll give you that. I think Tezuka and co. set out to make a late Showa style film with GXM, but it didn’t work. (Kudo reminds me of Gengo from Gigan but I think the actor is trying too damn hard to be charismatic.)

I do like Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla for the performances of the two leads. Shin Takuma is very entertaining, he’d come a long way from the brooding character he played in G85. But otherwise Tezuka’s Mechagodzilla movies are so stale. I haven’t watched either in years and probably won’t try again for several more at least.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:23 pm

Terasawa wrote:Shin Takuma is very entertaining, he’d come a long way from the brooding character he played in G85.


Oh my God, I'd never realized that was the same actor!

Now I'm going have to give Against Mechagodzilla a re-watch soon.

To be fair, that one has grown on me with repeat viewings (sporadic repeat viewings; I've probably only watched it four or five times over the years), whereas Megaguirus has lost some of its (always faint) luster.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Maritonic » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:26 pm

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Terasawa wrote:Shin Takuma is very entertaining, he’d come a long way from the brooding character he played in G85.


Oh my God, I'd never realized that was the same actor!

Now I'm going have to give Against Mechagodzilla a re-watch soon.


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