Kong 2020 Design Thread

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby GuardianGhido » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:56 am

Living Corpse wrote:It stands to reason after encountering Godzilla the first time, Kong would bring something, even just a big boulder to use as a shield from Godzilla's Atomic Breath.

He's a movie monster, he's smarter than most animals and is related to us. The only reason his kind never evolved to make technology is they never needed to because of their insane size and strength, only using tools occasionally when fighting hand to hand is not enough.

I agree with the weapons and equipment and also vote for him making traps around the battleground (Maybe after losing the first skirmish and retreating), but warpaint is a bit too far unless it had practical use. Last I recall, Goji doesn't have predator like thermal vision so covering himself with warpaint wouldn't help Kong fight him. Kong is a pragmatist in combat so I don't think he'd put on warpaint just to show off. If humans gave him armor though he could still use that because it has practical use.

tl;dr: from what i've seen Kong is all about practicality, not showing off, so it's fine if he uses weapons and tricks but I doubt he'd use warpaint unless it provided any advantage. (If it did, i'd be fine with it unless it's explained badly and comes off as a deus ex machina)
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Legendary Gojira » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:02 am

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KingZillla wrote:Kong is an animal. Let's not turn him into the Batman of the Monsterverse

So are we lol.

Kong's Batman to Godzilla's Man of Steel, seems like fair game.

No, it doesn't. This isn't the Showa series. Kong's intelligence scale should not include him putting on War paint and making weapons like the Kaiju version of Tony Stark.

Hes still an animal and I'd rather not have people's suspension of disbelief challenged to such an extreme extent. Next thing you know, Kong will show up with bamboo armor and viking helmet

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KingZillla wrote:Kong is an animal. Let's not turn him into the Batman of the Monsterverse


Kong is insanely smart. I'd argue that he is the closest living relative to humans in the Monsterverse. Dude is pretty much Super Bigfoot.

But you don't see apes crafting weapons and smearing war paint before they fight other animals.

I'm not saying we can't have Kong using the environment to fight (Kong using the roof of a building as a shield against Godzilla's atomic breath for example would be fine) but cognitively creating tools and wearing apparel is a little out there


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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby master_of_monsters » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:21 am

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MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote:I know this is a design thread, but it would be nice if Kong's roar was updated. Like give him a more unique one similar to his Showa or '76 counterparts, or maybe even throw them in for a scene if they can.


The ‘76 Kong one is my favorite Kong roar.


I like the one at the end of the second skull island trailer. makes him sound royally pissed and rearing to throw down
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Sonic » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:20 am

Living Corpse wrote:War paint. I don't care if King Kong found clay and painted himself or the Iwi painted him. I just think it'd be cool if for the last battle King Kong walks into the battle against Godzilla covered in war paint, carrying a mesh-mash of random metals he gathered to act as a literal flame shield for Godzilla's breath.

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby daveblackeye15 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:38 am

It's REALLY stupid but I keep picturing Kong has somehow forged body armor and weapons, like for some reason I like him having this gauntlet with long blade, like Batman kinda. Or a sword. Yeah really stupid and a tiny part of me kind of likes it. I just hope present Kong still can use weapons and tools since that's what I loved with this Kong. He threw trees as spears, used rocks, used another tree as a club and of course the ship propeller as a long range and close combat weapon.

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby GuardianGhido » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:00 am

daveblackeye15 wrote:It's REALLY stupid but I keep picturing Kong has somehow forged body armor and weapons, like for some reason I like him having this gauntlet with long blade, like Batman kinda. Or a sword. Yeah really stupid and a tiny part of me kind of likes it. I just hope present Kong still can use weapons and tools since that's what I loved with this Kong. He threw trees as spears, used rocks, used another tree as a club and of course the ship propeller as a long range and close combat weapon.

Well he won't go full Iron Man, but I suspect him to use plenty of throwing weapons, primitive traps, trees/human structures as bludgeons (depends on the place of the fight) and stabbing weapons like sharp rocks or more human structures. (stabbing Godzilla through the gills would probably do some real damage)
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Ivo-goji » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:02 pm

If the battle takes place inside the Hollow Earth and there's all kinds of otherworldly materials around, I can imagine him using the environment to his advantage. Swinging around a forest of giant, super-dense trees, using the diamond hard bones of dead kaiju as weapons.
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:09 pm

Ivo-goji wrote:If the battle takes place inside the Hollow Earth and there's all kinds of otherworldly materials around, I can imagine him using the environment to his advantage. Swinging around a forest of giant, super-dense trees, using the diamond hard bones of dead kaiju as weapons.


Or heck even just giant crystals.
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby darthzilla99 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:10 pm

KingZillla wrote:
Kong is insanely smart. I'd argue that he is the closest living relative to humans in the Monsterverse. Dude is pretty much Super Bigfoot.

But you don't see apes crafting weapons and smearing war paint before they fight other animals.

I'm not saying we can't have Kong using the environment to fight (Kong using the roof of a building as a shield against Godzilla's atomic breath for example would be fine) but cognitively creating tools and wearing apparel is a little out there[/quote]


While I agree war paint and making kaiju swords is silly for Kong, crafting simple weapons has been shown in primates in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vssqb-0i2-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P46vKuO3Hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFACrIx5SZ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMbWDRzqNhc

Since Kong has been around Skull Island natives and the Wall, it's not unrealistic for him to make simple kaiju size, spears, clubs, and spikes based on him observing the wall and the natives. If he's smart enough to clear a tree in a fight to swing with less air Resistance at 1:02 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9MQZQPefo, then he's smart enough to sharpen wood with his teeth.

As far as design, I like it to be similar to his K:SI look. Have more filled Shoulders, Chest, Upper back, upper quads, a few more scars (Not peter Jackson Kong mind you), and a main or neck fur similar to the 62 Toho kong.
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby cloverfan98 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:56 pm

Stripped tree weapon aside Kong seemed to really grasp the concept of the anchor chain and propeller combination as a ranged and melee weapon pretty quickly. I could see some more of that.

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:05 pm

cloverfan98 wrote:Stripped tree weapon aside Kong seemed to really grasp the concept of the anchor chain and propeller combination as a ranged and melee weapon pretty quickly. I could see some more of that.


If there's an underground fight I wanna see him use a giant crystal as a club.
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby daveblackeye15 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:50 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
cloverfan98 wrote:Stripped tree weapon aside Kong seemed to really grasp the concept of the anchor chain and propeller combination as a ranged and melee weapon pretty quickly. I could see some more of that.


If there's an underground fight I wanna see him use a giant crystal as a club.


Nah I want to see something like THIS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLyFoNUyCrg

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:24 am

daveblackeye15 wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:
cloverfan98 wrote:Stripped tree weapon aside Kong seemed to really grasp the concept of the anchor chain and propeller combination as a ranged and melee weapon pretty quickly. I could see some more of that.


If there's an underground fight I wanna see him use a giant crystal as a club.


Nah I want to see something like THIS!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLyFoNUyCrg

Godzilla: *Spits* Is that all you got?

Something I've always wanted to see was a much bigger Kong than usual (Which this one will be) actually PICK UP THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING AND USE IT AS A WEAPON!!
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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby daveblackeye15 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:02 am

I don't think he's big enough to use the whole Empire State but maybe part of the top? Anyway I want my crystal boxing gloves now.

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby Sonic » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:34 am

I really can see kong using some weapons. it will happen.

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Re: Kong 2020 Design Thread

Postby _JNavs_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:38 am

It'd be especially easy for the actor playing Kong. It'll definitely happen.
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