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G2000 wrote:I saw the movie last Thursday, and I would have posted my thoughts on it earlier were it not for Maritonic being a humorless tool.

Or sometimes it's hard to read tone in text? Maritonic and I don't always get along, but the days leading up to the movie, and after had a lot of people acting like: Bullies, attention whores, trolls, etc. I honestly don't blame the guy for just being like "F it, everyone is spamming, I'll sort it out later" when you have normal friendly jokes/spam sprinkled in with the malicious douchyness as multiple topics were getting like 10 posts in 3 minutes or less all day.

Maritonic seems to be the only mod actually doing anything here. And I don't usually have a good relationship with the mods but he's good in my book. If you don't like him you can piss off

Godzilla21 wrote:Maritonic seems to be the only mod actually doing anything here. And I don't usually have a good relationship with the mods but he's good in my book. If you don't like him you can piss off

Probably because he sh!ts on every little thing that the actual qualified mods don’t deem necessary.

For example, he shut down a cringe discussion in the cringe thread. What? It wasn’t devolving into name calling, it was just an on-topic discussion relating to the post at hand.
Another example, The silly quips in the speculation thread when news was slow. When everyone in the thread is in on the joke, it’s clear nobody is causing problems with little quips, especially when there’s nothing to actually discuss.

What's fascinating is no one ever attempts to PM and have a conversation to try to figure out the other side of this. But that's fine.

You guys want 10 pages of "endless quips"? Cool. When I wake up to the e-mails and reports for spam, I'll just PM you guys and ask how you would handle it.

GoWhaleTours wrote:

Godzilla21 wrote:Maritonic seems to be the only mod actually doing anything here. And I don't usually have a good relationship with the mods but he's good in my book. If you don't like him you can piss off

Probably because he sh!ts on every little thing that the actual qualified mods don’t deem necessary.

For example, he shut down a cringe discussion in the cringe thread. What? It wasn’t devolving into name calling, it was just an on-topic discussion relating to the post at hand.
Another example, The silly quips in the speculation thread when news was slow. When everyone in the thread is in on the joke, it’s clear nobody is causing problems with little quips, especially when there’s nothing to actually discuss.

Bullshit....... just like G21 I don't care for these mods but what I've seen from Maritonic is he gives like 5 verbal warnings before anything else. I get a warning from Gira after a fucking day passed in a thread after the thing was over and done with and he saw my post and gave me a warning. I get into it with another because of my Celery pics.......... point being that he is the only one I can respect. He gives people plenty of verbals before an actual warning and I like that rather than come in and BAM warning like some. So yeah, its cool when someone else gets a warning but when its some of y'all you cry about it.

I'll back Maritonic just this once.

I don't mean to derail this discussion further, but as an admin of another forum, I haven't seen issues with Maritonic's decisions and actions as a mod. TK is quite possibly the largest community within the kaiju fandom, and people will report posts for various reasons. I think the main issue may very well be understaffing compared to the active user-base.

In an effort to stay on topic, my initial reaction of KotM was a bit soiled. I didn't have the best audience surrounding me, and while it wasn't outright abysmal, it was enough to lessen my enjoyment of the film. Having received my sorely-needed tax return as an unemployed person still fighting to get benefits and a job, I'm planning to see it a second time to get a proper reaction and review.

goji89 wrote:

GoWhaleTours wrote:

Godzilla21 wrote:Maritonic seems to be the only mod actually doing anything here. And I don't usually have a good relationship with the mods but he's good in my book. If you don't like him you can piss off

Probably because he sh!ts on every little thing that the actual qualified mods don’t deem necessary.

For example, he shut down a cringe discussion in the cringe thread. What? It wasn’t devolving into name calling, it was just an on-topic discussion relating to the post at hand.
Another example, The silly quips in the speculation thread when news was slow. When everyone in the thread is in on the joke, it’s clear nobody is causing problems with little quips, especially when there’s nothing to actually discuss.

Bullshit....... just like G21 I don't care for these mods but what I've seen from Maritonic is he gives like 5 verbal warnings before anything else. I get a warning from Gira after a skreeonking day passed in a thread after the thing was over and done with and he saw my post and gave me a warning. I get into it with another because of my Celery pics.......... point being that he is the only one I can respect. He gives people plenty of verbals before an actual warning and I like that rather than come in and BAM warning like some. So yeah, its cool when someone else gets a warning but when its some of y'all you cry about it.

I'll back Maritonic just this once.

Deleted. No need to derail this thread further. Apologies.

You guys'll get a warning if you keep this up!

Isn't pretty much everyone finished posting their reviews already? Thread seems to have done its job.

Darth Kiryu wrote:I don't mean to derail this discussion further, but as an admin of another forum, I haven't seen issues with Maritonic's decisions and actions as a mod. TK is quite possibly the largest community within the kaiju fandom, and people will report posts for various reasons. I think the main issue may very well be understaffing compared to the active user-base.

I second all of this. There seems to be almost no staff here. Maritonic is the only one keeping order amongst all you vagrants. And I've seen the guy give like 15 verbal warnings before he actually hands you a real one. You guys obviously do not remember some of the trigger happy mods of old

GoWhaleTours wrote: Deleted. No need to derail this thread further. Apologies.

Yeah, I saw it. But yeah no need to derail things more.

The fuck did I miss

gottatalktothefake wrote:The fuck did I miss

Frankly, I don't want to know...

I thought it was awful. This one offers nothing for me that I haven’t already seen in a previous Godzilla movie. There wasn’t enough monster stuff and what was there wasn’t good enough to overcome the movie’s other glaring flaws. It’s incredible that a script this bad was allowed to go before the cameras.

Personally, I thought it was awesome. It was pretty much a post-DAM Showa film with a bigger budget. Was the script bad? It had a few clunkers of lines. Was it stupid? Sometimes, yes. But so was some of the other films like Megalon and Gigan. I felt that the positives of the film overweighted the negatives. The effects for the monsters were absolutly amazing. Right up there with Gamera: Revenge Of Iris. I thought the acting, especially from Ken Watanabe, was pretty good. The score was (as expected) amazing. No matter what your opinion of the film may be, you have to agree that the score was the best part of the movie.

All in all, it was everything I was hoping for when it was first annouced. Now bring on Godzilla vs. Kong! (just please don't mess it up with the reshoots Legendary)


11/10

MikeSTZillak wrote:Personally, I thought it was awesome. It was pretty much a post-DAM Showa film with a bigger budget. Was the script bad? It had a few clunkers of lines. Was it stupid? Sometimes, yes. But so was some of the other films like Megalon and Gigan. I felt that the positives of the film overweighted the negatives. The effects for the monsters were absolutly amazing. Right up there with Gamera: Revenge Of Iris. I thought the acting, especially from Ken Watanabe, was pretty good. The score was (as expected) amazing. No matter what your opinion of the film may be, you have to agree that the score was the best part of the movie.

All in all, it was everything I was hoping for when it was first annouced. Now bring on Godzilla vs. Kong! (just please don't mess it up with the reshoots Legendary)


11/10

Yes! I agree 100%, glad to see people continuing to show love and support for this film.

Terasawa wrote:I thought it was awful. This one offers nothing for me that I haven’t already seen in a previous Godzilla movie. There wasn’t enough monster stuff and what was there wasn’t good enough to overcome the movie’s other glaring flaws. It’s incredible that a script this bad was allowed to go before the cameras.

MikeSTZillak wrote:Personally, I thought it was awesome. It was pretty much a post-DAM Showa film with a bigger budget. Was the script bad? It had a few clunkers of lines. Was it stupid? Sometimes, yes. But so was some of the other films like Megalon and Gigan. I felt that the positives of the film overweighted the negatives. The effects for the monsters were absolutly amazing. Right up there with Gamera: Revenge Of Iris. I thought the acting, especially from Ken Watanabe, was pretty good. The score was (as expected) amazing. No matter what your opinion of the film may be, you have to agree that the score was the best part of the movie.

All in all, it was everything I was hoping for when it was first annouced. Now bring on Godzilla vs. Kong! (just please don't mess it up with the reshoots Legendary)


11/10

I think this pretty well sums up what we see with the critic/audience split as the film had some major issues even though it also had some nice monster action.

Plainly speaking, it makes some pretty weird and wholly disconnected decisions with the story and despite monsters being shown on more regular intervals, there really wasn't that much substantial shown in a lot of instances and similar to 2014, we often cut away from monster battles just when they get started. Rodan's fight with the jet squadron was great and we got to see him in all of his glory but as soon as he comes up against King Ghidorah we cut away and really only see about 15 or so seconds (chopped into two or three scenes) of it. Same with Rodan v Mothra, same with many parts of Godzilla v King Ghidorah. Actually seeing more of the monsters do their thing would've done well to cover up a lot of the other issues with the film such as the script, generally terrible humor, and just plain weird overall messages with how we need to "live" with these giant monsters somehow.

But on the other hand, all of the classic monsters looked incredible. Ghidorah's heads having personalities was an excellent idea and in general, monster characterization was played very well. The human characters were generally better than the first film and had more of a reason to be there.

That said, one of my main concerns, is that the wrong lessons will be learned from this and that things will be worse for it. That critics shouldn't be listened to (because the film did have major issues) or that the audience doesn't know what they want (the movie was just an OK film---nothing great but not the worst thing ever seen). In fact, a deeper issue may be that some of the criticism that I've seen from the "film critics" seem to be made from a typical, disdainful approach to these types of films in general while on the flip side a lot of the praise I've seen for the film sometimes emphasize things that were either not actually there or barely in the film (the aforementioned tendency for monster on monster action to still be cut away from instead of shown in full).

Honestly, I'm not that hopeful for Kong but.....I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I’m gonna contest the claim the score was the best part because, outside of the reorchestrations of Ifukube/Koseki compositions, I can’t recall a single piece of music that didn’t just sound like generic action media music. If those familiar cues weren’t here would anyone even be talking about the score?

This movie was just more Hollywood excess and that’s why I hated it. It didn’t particularly feel like a classic Godzilla movie to me, more like someone’s attempt to take elements of the old Godzilla movies and force them into the modern blockbuster template. In that regard it’s a lot like Final Wars.

If people like that, cool, but it’s nothing I have any interest in. Give Godzilla back to the Japanese.

I didn't notice the score, outside of the Ifukube tracks, of course. But those felt forced and out of place to me, unfortunately. I'll have to actually pay attention to the music on my next viewing, now that I won't be as laser focused on the visuals.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "forced," they seemed to fit pretty naturally into the film in my opinion.

I can understand the feelings about the score not being that notable outside of the Ikufube and Koseki reorchestrations, but there were some moments I did quite enjoy; Rodan and Ghidorah's new themes, as well as "Goodbye Old Friend."