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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby ClandestineCanine9 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:00 pm

I liked the combining of the '54 and '14 roars when he was howling at Ghidorah, and the Showa roar when he fell into the hole, but the scene in Boston was definitely not the time for the Showa roar again. should've been the 2014 long roar, with maybe a little of '54 mixed in.

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Postby Godzilla165 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:50 pm

Boston was the only time the Showa roar really felt off to me, as it didn’t carry the weight and gravity that Godzilla’s grand entrance should have like Legendary’s own roar would’ve. Every other instance was fine and felt natural, but at the same time, I do kind of hope that they stick with the Legendary roars for Godzilla vs Kong.
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Postby daveblackeye15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:07 am

Yeah I wouldn't be upset if they stuck to his Legendary roar. I mean I loved hearing the Showa roar but for Godzilla vs. Kong hopefully it's a bit more Legendaryesque.

Oh yeah impromptu showing number 8. There were four other people in there with two leaving just as Mothra was about to come out of her cocoon. Losers. I didn't even realize the other two were in there since I figured I was alone and I turned my phone on. I wanted to time the Boston finale. When Godzilla saves Madison it was about 11:50 and by the time the credits started to roll it was 12:14. I lost track because the crowning scene was epic or I would have checked the time around the 'burp' part. Damn that part flies by and I figured it was a solid 30 minutes on my first watch.

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Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:27 am

Godzilla165 wrote:Boston was the only time the Showa roar really felt off to me, as it didn’t carry the weight and gravity that Godzilla’s grand entrance should have like Legendary’s own roar would’ve. Every other instance was fine and felt natural, but at the same time, I do kind of hope that they stick with the Legendary roars for Godzilla vs Kong.

I agree, most of the time, the Showa roars blended in seamlessly, but that one instance was a little unexpected. Some scenes also blended the SKREE of legendary with the ONK of Showa and vice versa, which I thought was pretty awesome. He even made a bit of his dying roar from 54 when he was being drained dry by KG before transforming!
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Postby Dv-218 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:59 am

I actually loved the mixed-in Showa vocals for Godzilla, felt like a really neat update. But I do agree that the Boston roar felt a little off and not quite as impactful, so to speak. My favorite variation is the one that starts with the Legendary "skree" but ends with either the Showa or 1954 "oonk", imo the best of both worlds. I hope this will be the variation used in GvK.
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Postby daveblackeye15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:10 pm

I just realized the only time we see Godzilla's standard breathe weapon is the first and last ones. All the others where when he was charged up. Even then looks like his standard blasts are still a bit stronger than the 2014 versions. So my head cannon is what it says in the novelization: Mutos were weakening his attack and he needed to roll a crit to use it.

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Postby MegaEvilSaurus666 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:01 pm

XxComablack1937xX wrote:Was I the only one that didn't like that the added the Japanese Godzilla roar to Godzilla in this?
Not that I don't like the roar I just feel like it didn't fit the animal itself. Just felt like it was thrown in the try and please Toho fans and out of place. Especially when at the end of the film when Godzilla arrives at Boston after blasting Ghidorah with the atomic breath before killing Madison. As Madison turns around and you hear the roar it feels so out of place.

I don't know it just doesn't fit the design of Legendary's Godzilla. I felt the same way in the Heisei series when the switched the roar back from the deep growl that fit the design from G-1985 to Godzilla vs King Ghidorah back to the Showa roar... It didn't fit and neither did this. Keep the 2014 roar only for Godzilla vs Kong.

Exactly my feelings on the sound design for Godzilla.

It's pretty bothersome for me. It just doesn't fit with this design of Godzilla in my opinion. The 2014 roar is perfect for the design, because it was made for it, built from the ground up with the creature's character in mind. The Showa era roars don't have the same type of sound I expect from a larger Godzilla, much less Legendary's Godzilla. It's like a tiger growling like a bobcat or something. Again, there's no problem with the Showa era sound effects; they are great and fit with a 50 meter tall monster that, honestly, looks pretty silly most times. Even the 1954 roar doesn't fit right.

_JNavs_ wrote:It was fine when he fell in Antarctica, felt well placed like an Easter egg.

The one in Boston was a bit off though.

The thing is, an Easter egg is supposed to be subtle and well placed. It is meant to be a secret. There's no secret in blending the Showa roars with the Legendary roars. For me, it sticks out like a sore thumb. In an interview with Dougherty back in March, it was mentioned that Godzilla's roar would be changed to sound more like the original, but I never expected that the reuse of classic roars would be their solution to that.

Where was E2 on this one? Erik Aadahl is credited as one of the sound designers on IMDB, but almost definitely only for the reused sound effects. The sound design isn't to the same quality here, so it cannot be right.

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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:25 pm

I think I have a name for the new fatality.

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Postby UltramanGoji » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:29 pm

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:The 2014 roar is perfect for the design, because it was made for it, built from the ground up with the creature's character in mind.


I like KOTM a lot but I can't help but find myself agreeing with this a lot, not just in regards to the roar but for almost all of the elements of Godzilla in this film.

The 2014 movie's design philosophy set out to make a Godzilla that was brand new to the franchise and unique to its own universe while KOTM was focusing too much on bringing in familiar elements. While I honestly love the new 54-style spines on the design, most of the other changes just felt like it wasn't giving KOTM's Godzilla it's own identity or expanding on the one established in 2014. It just felt like it was trying too hard to be a Toho Godzilla instead of just doubling down on being what it really is: an American Godzilla.
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Postby gottatalktothefake » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:37 pm

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MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:The 2014 roar is perfect for the design, because it was made for it, built from the ground up with the creature's character in mind.


I like KOTM a lot but I can't help but find myself agreeing with this a lot, not just in regards to the roar but for almost all of the elements of Godzilla in this film.

The 2014 movie's design philosophy set out to make a Godzilla that was brand new to the franchise and unique to its own universe while KOTM was focusing too much on bringing in familiar elements. While I honestly love the new 54-style spines on the design, most of the other changes just felt like it wasn't giving KOTM's Godzilla it's own identity or expanding on the one established in 2014. It just felt like it was trying too hard to be a Toho Godzilla instead of just doubling down on being what it really is: an American Godzilla.

I agree with this. It felt lie a lot of what it was to try to appeal to purists. Who aren't ever going to like it.
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Postby daveblackeye15 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:40 pm

I still remember Godzilla 1998 (I was there Gandalf, lol) so it is a nice change of pace to see a fan make a very fine movie. That said I do hope Godzilla vs. Kong is a little more like Godzilla 2014 when it comes to Godzilla. I don't mind the slight design tweaks at all though.

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Postby MegaEvilSaurus666 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:55 pm

Living Corpse wrote:I think I have a name for the new fatality.

Eaten Alive.

I like how Ghidorah's single head makes noise without having lungs or working airways to make said noise. :lol:

It’s sort of something that doesn't matter at first, and you brush it off as fiction and whatnot, but there's a reason why "science" is the keyword in "science fiction."

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MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:The 2014 roar is perfect for the design, because it was made for it, built from the ground up with the creature's character in mind.

I like KOTM a lot but I can't help but find myself agreeing with this a lot, not just in regards to the roar but for almost all of the elements of Godzilla in this film.

The 2014 movie's design philosophy set out to make a Godzilla that was brand new to the franchise and unique to its own universe while KOTM was focusing too much on bringing in familiar elements. While I honestly love the new 54-style spines on the design, most of the other changes just felt like it wasn't giving KOTM's Godzilla it's own identity or expanding on the one established in 2014. It just felt like it was trying too hard to be a Toho Godzilla instead of just doubling down on being what it really is: an American Godzilla.

This is what I've been saying since I posted my initial thoughts on KOTM. The movie tries to be something it's not in many ways, and that is, overall, the reason why I was disappointed with it (besides the plot, jokes, pacing, cinematography, etc). It didn't necessarily feel like a true sequel to the 2014 film in my opinion. This is the reason why I'm kind of against the Oxygen Destroyer, Maser Cannons, mystical Mothra stuff, possible Mechagodzilla, and so on.

KOTM has what seems to be issues with its identity, trying to be a continuation of the MonsterVerse and also a Toho-style Godzilla film at once, forcing it to clash hard with the direction of Godzilla 2014 and Kong: Skull Island. This movie also has Dougherty and Shields' ideas for what they wanted Godzilla to be in this film, and all of those ideas combined with the overarching identity issue of the film led to some major changes in tone for the future of the MonsterVerse in my opinion. I read a few reviews from both fans and critics in which some people stated that this Godzilla doesn't quite seem like the same one from 2014. I'm almost worried about Godzilla vs. Kong.

Both of the previous films before this one did something different and new with the titular monsters, keeping aspects of the originals and expanding upon them in divergent and modern ways. They were fresh reinterpretations of classics instead of clinging to the classics. They paid homage to their predecessors, rather than essentially imitating them.

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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:42 pm

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:I think I have a name for the new fatality.

Eaten Alive.

I like how Ghidorah's single head makes noise without having lungs or working airways to make said noise. :lol:

It’s sort of something that doesn't matter at first, and you brush it off as fiction and whatnot, but there's a reason why "science" is the keyword in "science fiction."



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Postby Gawdziller1954 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:54 pm

MegaEvilSaurus666 wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:I think I have a name for the new fatality.

Eaten Alive.

I like how Ghidorah's single head makes noise without having lungs or working airways to make said noise. :lol:

It’s sort of something that doesn't matter at first, and you brush it off as fiction and whatnot, but there's a reason why "science" is the keyword in "science fiction."

Well, he's an alien, so perhaps he manipulates the air to make sounds differently
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Postby Dv-218 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:21 pm

I honestly have no problems with the KOTM design tweaks at all. In fact, I love them. The small, rather bland looking triangle spines and tiny, Sauropod-like claws were my least favorite aspect with the 2014 design (tho I still love it), so i'm glad to see those changed in particular. While it is true that some of those changes were made with the intent of emulating classic designs, I personally see this as some sort of a "tradition"- Godzilla had tweaks to his design in one way or another in every new movie, even in the same continuity lol. And honestly, aside from those tweaks, he's very much still the same as 2014 character and behavior wise. I love that they explain those changes as him evolving and adapting to changing conditions, perfect way of making those changes feel in place. Just my opinion tho.

However, I do agree in regards to the roar. I liked the brief Showa roar when he fell down the ice crater, and the mixes between his Legendary roar and 1954 one were neat too- but the Boston roar felt off and shoved in for fanservice. It really didn't feel powerful or impactful. I would personally like to see a majorily 2014 type vocalization in GvK, with a dash of those 2014/Showa/1954 mixings thrown in.
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Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:56 am

2020 design they finally put some bone white into the spines! :shock:
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Postby Dv-218 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:35 am

I doubt they will change the KOTM design for GvK, but that would be pretty neat. Although I actually like the monotone spines, makes for a really striking glow pattern when he charges his atomic breath.

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Postby Godzilla165 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:05 am

Hopefully they don’t change his design, as aside from the shorter tail, I think Godzilla looks nigh perfect in KotM. Plus, depending on how soon Godzilla vs Kong takes place after its predecessor, a design change wouldn’t make too much sense.
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Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:10 am

Watch, they'll give him a slight redesign just to "justfy" selling more Godzilla toys in 2020 as a tie in for GVK. Can't let Kon be the only lead monster to get merch sold that year.
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Postby Dv-218 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 am

Godzilla165 wrote:Hopefully they don’t change his design, as aside from the shorter tail, I think Godzilla looks nigh perfect in KotM. Plus, depending on how soon Godzilla vs Kong takes place after its predecessor, a design change wouldn’t make too much sense.


Agreed. Honestly the KOTM design is everything I wished for in a modernized Godzilla, a perfect blend of old and new. Not to mention, as you said, GvK will happen soon after KOTM, and nothing really happened that could make his design change radically.

But, as LivingCorpse said, it's very likely that they will slightly tweak it in some areas just to excuse more figures being made lol. I wouldn't mind seeing something minor but noticeable, perhaps a scar here and there (would look pretty badass). Maybe make his tail slightly longer.
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