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DirektorSplennic wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
A Mothra solo movie set in ancient China with Battra as the villain, giving them this yin and yang dynamic, would be perfect.
Keep Battra and the Ying Yang dynamic but make Bagan the villian.
Bagan can then later challange Godzilla in a mini Bagan arc.
That literally defeats the purpose of that dynamic. Battra should be a pure evil mothra if he ever appears again. Not an aggressive Earth defender like he originally was.
I mean, I'm not really in a position to argue it, but isn't the yin/yang concept not so much straight good/evil as it is a creation/destruction kinda deal? Where both are needed to keep things in balance? Regardless personally I feel boiling Battra down to "evil Mothra" robs him of the complexity that makes him interesting. I don't have any issue with leaving him as the sole antagonist, but the execution should be much more interesting and nuanced than just "I'm you but evil, try and stop me", we've seen that enough in the MCU.
miguelnuva wrote:Keep Battra and the Ying Yang dynamic but make Bagan the villian.
Bagan can then later challange Godzilla in a mini Bagan arc.
That literally defeats the purpose of that dynamic. Battra should be a pure evil mothra if he ever appears again. Not an aggressive Earth defender like he originally was.
I mean, I'm not really in a position to argue it, but isn't the yin/yang concept not so much straight good/evil as it is a creation/destruction kinda deal? Where both are needed to keep things in balance? Regardless personally I feel boiling Battra down to "evil Mothra" robs him of the complexity that makes him interesting. I don't have any issue with leaving him as the sole antagonist, but the execution should be much more interesting and nuanced than just "I'm you but evil, try and stop me", we've seen that enough in the MCU.
You know what? You're absolutely right. I take back that portion of what I said. I was just trying to shoot down Bagan as the villain.
Although tbh I still wouldn't mind a pure evil Battra. But sticking to what really makes it Yin/Yang is a better idea.
DirektorSplennic wrote:That literally defeats the purpose of that dynamic. Battra should be a pure evil mothra if he ever appears again. Not an aggressive Earth defender like he originally was.
Ah but the Yin Yang symbols have a little bit of each other in them, hence why Battra and Mothra were able to put aside their differences to Godzilla in Heisei. Mothra has been shown she can be angered into a destructive rage and Battra has been shown he can be merciful.
Unfortunately, I'm among those who downright hate this movie. Which is a shame, because I waited five excruciatingly long years to see it, and yet it turned out nothing like what I hoped.
Man, I wish I could love this film like some of you, I really do. But all I see is a film that overall is ugly as hell to look at with piss poor color filters, very inconsistent in regards to quality CGI, terrible dialogue, misuse of actors/characters (Charles Dance/ Alan Jonah), bad fight choreography (in Boston mostly), loss of scale/bad camera placement...among other issues. I still don't hate it, far from that...just nowhere near as good as I wanted it to be
I’ll be honest, at the beginning I wasn’t very excited for this movie when it was announced way back on 2014. Not even when it was revealed that Ghidorah, Rodan and Mothra would have been present. Godzilla 2014 has left a terrible taste in my mouth (and still does to this day) and I wasn’t interested to any of its sequels to come. Then the first trailer was released on a July 2018 at the SDCC... and it was spectacular. Somehow that trailer made me excited for the sequel of a movie that I hated (and made me also cry in joy). With time that passed and more trailers were released I got more excited until the day the movie was officially released. And what can I say? I liked it. A lot even. It was better than G2014 and it was everything I was hoping for... well, almost everything because I admit that this movie has many flaws. But not as many as G2014. Is it a perfect movie? Absolutely not. It is terrible? Nope. But it was definitely a great and fun movie, and perhaps the best American Godzilla movie we’ve got until now. I liked it, I still do and definitely will continue to.
Shoopwoop17 wrote:So, spoilers obviously, but why did this movie kill all of the characters that were in the previous movie?
It killed 2, the General's death does not count as it was a deleted scene. That's 2 out of like 10 people from the first film.
Serizawa's sacrifice was a focal point of KOTM, and his assistant was killed so that Serizawa could realize what kind of stakes they were dealing with.
Shoopwoop17 wrote:So, spoilers obviously, but why did this movie kill all of the characters that were in the previous movie?
It killed 2, the General's death does not count as it was a deleted scene. That's 2 out of like 10 people from the first film.
Serizawa's sacrifice was a focal point of KOTM, and his assistant was killed so that Serizawa could realize what kind of stakes they were dealing with.
True, I should say: why did it kill all of the characters from the previous movie that were in this movie?
Second, do you think that was the purpose of Graham's death? To me it felt as though it was only for shock value. I didn't feel any change in Serizawa's character before and after her death.
Shoopwoop17 wrote:So, spoilers obviously, but why did this movie kill all of the characters that were in the previous movie?
It killed 2, the General's death does not count as it was a deleted scene. That's 2 out of like 10 people from the first film.
Serizawa's sacrifice was a focal point of KOTM, and his assistant was killed so that Serizawa could realize what kind of stakes they were dealing with.
True, I should say: why did it kill all of the characters from the previous movie that were in this movie?
Second, do you think that was the purpose of Graham's death? To me it felt as though it was only for shock value. I didn't feel any change in Serizawa's character before and after her death.
I think, while it did feel like shock value, the feeling of remorse imo was shown in Serizawa up until his sacrifice. But it could've been focused on more, i agree.
I'm not against the idea of Graham being killed per say but yeah, she needed a more dignified death rather than "quick chomp" for being such an important character in G14.
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I will say it feels wrong to not have any single connective tissue (human characters) to either Godzilla (2014) and Kong: Skull Island in Godzilla vs Kong.
Moogabunga wrote:I will say it feels wrong to not have any single connective tissue (human characters) to either Godzilla (2014) and Kong: Skull Island in Godzilla vs Kong.
For what's supposed to be a connected universe, it's an absolute shitshow.
Except Brooks. Mind you the character only had a tiny cameo in KotM but won't be surprised if his role is expanded upon in GvK. If not it'll be a big missed opportunity. Graham's death means nothing to me because she was barely there in G14 to begin with.
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I'd rather a connective universe INO, outside of little references. Less like MCU, more like it's own thing, which i think it's doing superbly.
I think it was a pretty common argument when KOTM came out, "where's the Brody family", and the most common response was "these are giant Titans, their stories are told across the world at various times, these people don't have to be exactly where the monster is at all times", which was also a big complaint of G14.. "Why was Godzilla following Brody the whole time"
I say if there's a story you want to tell and it takes place over the course of 6 films, so be it, it's still connected even if you don't bring back everyone and their grandmas.
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