MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Sonic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:22 am

I guess it all comes down to how gvk will do at the box office...

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Cookson » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:24 pm

Look... KotM definitely did not perform to expectations. It’s at the low end of projections box office wise.

The Monsterverse needs to be made with budgets in the 100-120m range with box office totals reaching a minimal 400m worldwide.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby dillonking55 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:46 pm

Cookson wrote:Look... KotM definitely did not perform to expectations. It’s at the low end of projections box office wise.

The Monsterverse needs to be made with budgets in the 100-120m range with box office totals reaching a minimal 400m worldwide.


Yep! And as The Meg, Bumblebee, & Rampage have shown, it can be done on smaller budgets. They also need to pick better release dates. It may have worked for G14, but times have changed & it's getting more competitive & harder for films to break out.

There is still potential with this franchise & GvK is in a much better position to open big than KotM.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Pkmatrix » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 pm

Cookson wrote:Look... KotM definitely did not perform to expectations. It’s at the low end of projections box office wise.

The Monsterverse needs to be made with budgets in the 100-120m range with box office totals reaching a minimal 400m worldwide.


Yep, I agree.

I'd be a little more generous and say more in the $120M to $140M range (as that's where The Meg, Rampage, Bumblebee, and Clash of the Titans all were), but after 14 years of Hollywood giant monster movies - going back to Kong '05 - it's pretty clear now that outside the Jurassic Park/World franchise (which has the added star power of A-list stars and the Spielberg/Williams names still attached), movies in this genre seem to top out at $550M to $600M worldwide and average around $400M to $450M. That may not be true forever (the Jurassic movies pull a Billion each, after all), but that's how it's been thus far.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby dillonking55 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm

Exactly! If nothing else, compared to other "types" of films (super hero, comedy, musical biopics, etc.) Kaiju films seem to be pretty consistent in hitting between $400-500 mil or more.

I think the MonsterVerse can still bring in an audience. They just need to manage the budgets a bit better.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby miguelnuva » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:46 pm

Monsterverse just needs to pick a better time to release. Had they moved Kotm up into February I think it would have done better. I believe people will go see movies no matter what time of year it is.

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I don't know where the CGI was but they could have done KOTM in Decemeber, Aquaman in February or March and Shazam in May as it was the lowest budget.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:18 pm

miguelnuva wrote:Added in 58 seconds:
I don't know where the CGI was but they could have done KOTM in Decemeber, Aquaman in February or March and Shazam in May as it was the lowest budget.



The film was fully complete in November 2018. There really wasn't any reason it could make it's March release or they could have moved it up to February.
Godzilla KOTM had a lot of thing's against it going in so I am not surprised it did as poorly as it has.
- Mixed reactions to the first Godzilla
- 5 year gap between films
- Marketing started way to early (10 months ahead of release)
- None of the other trailers were as good as the first
- Pushing back the release date from March to May
- Competition against a very front loaded blockbuster summer
- Poor critical response (Although general audiences approval is better then G-2014)

In my opinion for Godzilla vs Kong they should start promotion between September or November 2019. Got to hope for a better opening weekend then KOTM and Godzilla vs Kong will have 2 weeks before Mulan comes and tramples the box office.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:25 pm

XxComablack1937xX wrote:- Pushing back the release date from March to May

I think that was for the better tbh.

It would had been sandwiched between Captain Marvel and Endgame. Look what that did to Shazam! I'd argue it would had done even worst there. I'm glad they actually moved it.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby MegaEvilSaurus666 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:33 pm

XxComablack1937xX wrote:Poor critical response (Although general audiences approval is better then G-2014)

And even then, that's not saying a ton. Shin Godzilla did better critically and with audiences. Both Godzilla 2014 and Kong: Skull Island did better critically. Audience approval is slowly falling, although it's still doing quite well. Godzilla vs. Kong has to be a quality film to make up for this shortcoming.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby miguelnuva » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:00 pm

GodzillaFan1990's wrote:
XxComablack1937xX wrote:- Pushing back the release date from March to May

I think that was for the better tbh.

It would had been sandwiched between Captain Marvel and Endgame. Look what that did to Shazam! I'd argue it would had done even worst there. I'm glad they actually moved it.


Shazam was sandwiched because not a lot of people wanted to see it at that point.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Cookson » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:30 am

KotM is going to top off around 385. It might have a shot at seeing some kind of profit when you include merchandise, home video and tv deals.... but you shouldn’t have to combine that stuff. A major disappointment for sure.

They need to experiment after GvsKong. I know it’s gonna sound weird... but something more human oriented... good cast with one the money shots when you show the monsters. I just don’t know though... Kaiju films are just hard to do for mass appeal.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby GuardianGhido » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:38 am

One thing about a cinematic universe is, it isn't usually dropped after a misstep or two. I'm sure Legendary had big plans in mind when they set up the whole thing so I doubt they'll can the whole thing after one movie performs badly in the box office (very understably so as well considering Endgame fatigue, an overloaded release period and Aladdin as competition). DCEU took heavy hits after BVS' failure and Justice League's bomb, yet the idea hasn't been completely given up and discarded. Even the MCU had a few disappointments in it's history (though having no other immensely popular cinematic universes around helped it gain ground fast). So I see no reason Legendary shouldn't perservere with the Monsterverse, especailly considering the first two movies could somewhat be considered successes.

All in all, I doubt we'll see the Monsterverse wither and die right after GvK. Even if the movies stop for a while, the ideas and the universe itself aren't just going to disappear from existence and could possibly even be picked back up later down the line. And hey, if GvK manages to do well with it's distance from Endgame and slightly less frightening competition, we might get more movies too.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:25 pm

If Godzilla vs Kong makes under 400$ million or only 430$ million then it'll be the end of the Monsterverse unless they start cutting the budget back severely. Anything 600$ million plus it will continue.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby HillyHulk » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:00 pm

I'm pretty much expecting Mechagodzilla.
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After name-dropping the Oxygen Destroyer (I think that's the term)
, the military should play a bigger role in future films as to give it a bit more substance, like a premonition of things to come. Possibly mixing the Millennium Mechagodzilla and Heisei Mechagodzilla to make it well-rounded as a fighter would be best for this universe.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby MegaEvilSaurus666 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:20 am

HillyHulk wrote:I'm pretty much expecting Mechagodzilla.
Spoiler:
After name-dropping the Oxygen Destroyer (I think that's the term)
, the military should play a bigger role in future films as to give it a bit more substance, like a premonition of things to come. Possibly mixing the Millennium Mechagodzilla and Heisei Mechagodzilla to make it well-rounded as a fighter would be best for this universe.

The thing is, there's no background for it. One minute, they're just using conventional weaponry and nuclear warheads. 5 years later, they unexpectedly have fictional chemical weapons of mass destruction, maser cannons, and Mechagodzilla? 5 years isn't enough to make such a massive leap. You can't just change something like that so quick and not come up with an explanation. So yes, I agree that the military should play a bigger role in future films to explain and expand upon the MonsterVerse.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Huan_of_Valinor » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:16 am

After doing a quick bit of number crunching, the Monsterverse is actually on par with Phase One of the MCU thus far, and if KotM tops out at 385 million it'll actually be ahead. This is pitting Godzilla, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters against Iron Man, The Increadible Hulk, and Iron Man 2.

I do agree that Godzilla vs Kong needs to do better than KotM, however chances are very good it will because of Kong.

But in my time lurking around here watching the dramatics I have to say some of you are blowing it out of proportion saying that KotM under performing has killed the Monsterverse. $1.4 billion over three films was enough to keep Marvel going, and it's enough to continue the Monsterverse.
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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Sonic » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:21 am

Huan_of_Valinor wrote:After doing a quick bit of number crunching, the Monsterverse is actually on par with Phase One of the MCU thus far, and if KotM tops out at 385 million it'll actually be ahead. This is pitting Godzilla, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters against Iron Man, The Increadible Hulk, and Iron Man 2.

I do agree that Godzilla vs Kong needs to do better than KotM, however chances are very good it will because of Kong.

But in my time lurking around here watching the dramatics I have to say some of you are blowing it out of proportion saying that KotM under performing has killed the Monsterverse. $1.4 billion over three films was enough to keep Marvel going, and it's enough to continue the Monsterverse.

let's hope so my friend...

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby GuardianGhido » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:32 am

Huan_of_Valinor wrote:After doing a quick bit of number crunching, the Monsterverse is actually on par with Phase One of the MCU thus far, and if KotM tops out at 385 million it'll actually be ahead. This is pitting Godzilla, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters against Iron Man, The Increadible Hulk, and Iron Man 2.

I do agree that Godzilla vs Kong needs to do better than KotM, however chances are very good it will because of Kong.

But in my time lurking around here watching the dramatics I have to say some of you are blowing it out of proportion saying that KotM under performing has killed the Monsterverse. $1.4 billion over three films was enough to keep Marvel going, and it's enough to continue the Monsterverse.

Yeah, if you just look at the numbers or if you ignore KOTM and look at the first two films, you can see that the Monsterverse can still make plenty of money. In fact, IIRC it's Legendary and Warner Bros biggest earner after Detective Pikachu right now.

Thanks for the number crunching and positivity, dude! Reminds me of PKMatrix.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby daveblackeye15 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:41 am

Yeah I like the optimism.

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Re: MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

Postby Huan_of_Valinor » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:57 am

GuardianGhido wrote:
Huan_of_Valinor wrote:After doing a quick bit of number crunching, the Monsterverse is actually on par with Phase One of the MCU thus far, and if KotM tops out at 385 million it'll actually be ahead. This is pitting Godzilla, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters against Iron Man, The Increadible Hulk, and Iron Man 2.

I do agree that Godzilla vs Kong needs to do better than KotM, however chances are very good it will because of Kong.

But in my time lurking around here watching the dramatics I have to say some of you are blowing it out of proportion saying that KotM under performing has killed the Monsterverse. $1.4 billion over three films was enough to keep Marvel going, and it's enough to continue the Monsterverse.

Yeah, if you just look at the numbers or if you ignore KOTM and look at the first two films, you can see that the Monsterverse can still make plenty of money. In fact, IIRC it's Legendary and Warner Bros biggest earner after Detective Pikachu right now.

Thanks for the number crunching and positivity, dude! Reminds me of PKMatrix.


That's the thing, you don't even need to ignore KotM because it's out-performed Incredible Hulk, which made ~ $263 million on a $150 million budget. So the possibility of the Monsterverse making money is indeed still there, and as others have repeated several times, many of the movies released post-Endgame haven't done well except Aladdin.

None of the MCU broke a billion until Avengers 1, and Captain America: The First Avenger didn't even make it to $400 million (Even Thor made more). All Godzilla vs Kong has to do is make decent money and we're fine comparatively.

Thanks for the compliment :huge:
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"Yes then Rodan falls on Godzilla to sacrifice himself and Godzilla transforms into a new monster called BAGAN."


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