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Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:04 pm
by Redem
So technically Godzilla awakening is part of the official continuity of the monterverse, but personally I think what we see in Godzilla 2014 contradict what's in book enough that it should not be considered part of it(mainly the lack of mention of Shinomura and the fact the dialogue mention that Godzilla was awaken in 1954 rather immediatly following the nuking of Hiroshima) that it should be ignore for the most part (I like that godzilla nuked by Douglas MacArthur, some of the bit Serizawa father and son are good) and in the past I had several arguments as to wheterer or not the comic should be ignore

I am asking here on a purely personal level, but do you think Godzilla Awakening is part of the continuity or not?

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:02 pm
by Ivo-goji
People forget that in the comic, Serizawa Sr fails to convince Monarch that Godzilla exists until after he appears on Moansta in 1954. He also failed to convince anyone that Godzilla was hunting Shinomura; the army attributed Godzilla's activity to being awakened by the Nautilus traversing the Challenger Deep. The fact that Godzilla has been running around since Hiroshima is never confirmed despite Serizawa Sr's efforts, so that wouldn't have come up in dialogue in the movie. Since the relationship between Godzilla and Shinomura was also unproven, that would not have been mentioned either.

What Serizawa Jr told Ford was Monarch's official story; nobody but his dad knew the details specific to Awakening, ergo Awakening doesn't actually contradict any of G14's exposition.

Other than the fact Serizawa is younger than he's supposed to be, there aren't any inconsistencies, except those brought about by inattentive readers.

I doubt anything from Awakening will come up again in later Monsterverse films, but I also doubt anything will contradict it either. It would be nice if Shinomura or Dr. Zamalek showed up at some point though.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:08 pm
by MechaGoji Bro7503
Eh, no for. Its cool though

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:12 pm
by GodzillaFan1990's
I say yes since WoG from Legendary says its canon.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:34 pm
by Gojira18
For me, it's debatable. Some things make sense, and others don't.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:34 pm
by Tyrant_Lizard_King
Yeah and Tales from Year Zero is supposedly canon to Pacific Rim despite being contradicted numerous times in the film itself. Most that side stuff should be ignored if you ask me.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:38 pm
by Redem
Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote:Yeah and Tales from Year Zero is supposedly canon to Pacific Rim despite being contradicted numerous times in the film itself. Most that side stuff should be ignored if you ask me.


Hum I wasn't aware Tales from Year zero contradicted Pacific Rim that much (okay Drifting is pretty different in the comic than in the movie), can you elaborate on that?

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:48 pm
by Tyrant_Lizard_King
Well the major one is the fact in the comic the whole Trespasser attack appears to take place over the course of only a few hours. In the movie its explicitly stated by Raleigh it took almost a full week long continuous military assault to bring Trespasser down.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:48 am
by KingZillla
Yes, it's confirmed to be canon

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:43 am
by vibramrunner
Gojira18 wrote:For me, it's debatable. Some things make sense, and others don't.


This. I feel like it's like a rough draft that can revised and edited for storyline purposes as needed.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:03 am
by Redem
vibramrunner wrote:
Gojira18 wrote:For me, it's debatable. Some things make sense, and others don't.


This. I feel like it's like a rough draft that can revised and edited for storyline purposes as needed.


What part should be considered considered viable to be consistent with the movie?

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:09 am
by vibramrunner
^I mean that's open to interpretation, but when I think "rough draft," I'm going with, "Generally speaking, this is what happened." Maybe you rearrange some dates and names as needed. Outside of Godzilla being nuked though, I'm not really sure if it'll ever be referenced again -- K:SI is probably going to be where most of the backstory for future films comes from, I'm guessing.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:33 am
by Bigdog
GodzillaFan1990's wrote:I say yes since WoG from Legendary says its canon.


WoG is nonsense to me. Actually the whole concept is because:

1. Only a minute amount of people absorbed it and a minute portion of that know of this WoG. The vast majority have no idea and having important details outside the films themselves is dumb.

2. Breaks the "Show, don't tell" rule. If it's not in the movie it is irrelevant. I see this with plenty of people involved in films, cancelled TV shows or whatever. Example is Jorge Gutierrez and his two works or Bryke in Korra. How can either be canon to each other when they're both owned by separate companies, and every detail containing the two is rather irrelevant and dumb in my opinion; if these details were in the original show somewhere or it was planned, I wouldn't care so much. However, creators yamming up about what would happen in their shows/movies, deeper details or whatever else, but not in the finished product, only shows they're just offering excuses.

3. If the material cannot hold up on its own without WoG or similar nonsense, that's a sign of their failure to make a movie with proper storytelling. Either have the details in the story, or don't have them exist at all until the sequel. Similar nonsense is described as when the adaptations are so rushed and poor that you need knowledge of the source material in order for you understand it. If I never read the Hunger Games, I'd hate the movie, as I eventually gave up on the films.

While fun, I don't describe this as canon. Just extra material.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:15 am
by Mr_Goji_and_Watch
No because Serizawa isn't a 70 year old man in the movie.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:17 pm
by miguelnuva
Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote:Well the major one is the fact in the comic the whole Trespasser attack appears to take place over the course of only a few hours. In the movie its explicitly stated by Raleigh it took almost a full week long continuous military assault to bring Trespasser down.


It was said way back the attack in TFYZ appeared faster in book form for the people we were following.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:03 am
by LSD Jellyfish
Unless there's something brought up later in the monster verse series that coincides with it then nope. The book was horrible promotional material lazily put together. People are defending some of the inconsistencies, but I'd like to point out there's numerous things that make no goddamn sense within itself, like a panel that says 200 million years or something but shows people.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:37 am
by Living Corpse
The tie in comic to Kong: Skull Island might be just as bad.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:42 am
by Kaijunator
Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote:Well the major one is the fact in the comic the whole Trespasser attack appears to take place over the course of only a few hours. In the movie its explicitly stated by Raleigh it took almost a full week long continuous military assault to bring Trespasser down.

Yeah. The military's side of K-Day took a week. The survivors's side was a few hours, unless some of them were dumb enough to follow the kaiju.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:45 pm
by Redem
Living Corpse wrote:The tie in comic to Kong: Skull Island might be just as bad.


*Look into it* April? they better not use an old draft this time

I don't really mind a prequel comic that isn't great plotwise, I just ask that they organically integrate in the movie and have a few neats ideas that be too cumbersome to explain in the movie

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:47 pm
by Living Corpse
Redem wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:The tie in comic to Kong: Skull Island might be just as bad.


I don't really mind a prequel comic that isn't great plotwise, I just ask that they organically integrate in the movie and have a few neats ideas that be too cumbersome to explain in the movie


I don't think they are bad in of themselves but the plot holes are annoying.