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Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:34 pm
by Gawdziller1954
Ivo-goji wrote:Given the inability of most people to read my posts on the subject, I have no choice but to assume they can't actually read the comic book either.

OOH! SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH A WATERED DOWN EXPLANATION FOR A COMIC THAT CONFLICTS WITH BOTH THE REST OF THE MONSTERVERSE'S AND THE REAL WORLD'S HISTORY!! MUST MEAN THEY CAN'T READ!!11!!

Seriously, get off your high horse.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:54 pm
by Ivo-goji
Gawdziller1954 wrote:
Ivo-goji wrote:Given the inability of most people to read my posts on the subject, I have no choice but to assume they can't actually read the comic book either.

OOH! SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH A WATERED DOWN EXPLANATION FOR A COMIC THAT CONFLICTS WITH BOTH THE REST OF THE MONSTERVERSE'S AND THE REAL WORLD'S HISTORY!! MUST MEAN THEY CAN'T READ!!11!!

Seriously, get off your high horse.

When people are too lazy to meaningfully engage with arguments they don't agree with, I call that not being able to read, and I don't feel bad about saying it- because it's true.

Expecting people to actually discuss the topics they bring up instead of tolerating the one-sided circlejerking isn't this massively unreasonable thing to ask.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 pm
by Gawdziller1954
Ivo-goji wrote:
Gawdziller1954 wrote:
Ivo-goji wrote:Given the inability of most people to read my posts on the subject, I have no choice but to assume they can't actually read the comic book either.

OOH! SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH A WATERED DOWN EXPLANATION FOR A COMIC THAT CONFLICTS WITH BOTH THE REST OF THE MONSTERVERSE'S AND THE REAL WORLD'S HISTORY!! MUST MEAN THEY CAN'T READ!!11!!

Seriously, get off your high horse.

When people are too lazy to meaningfully engage with arguments they don't agree with, I call that not being able to read, and I don't feel bad about saying it- because it's true.

Expecting people to actually discuss the topics they bring up instead of tolerating the one-sided circlejerking isn't this massively unreasonable thing to ask.

Except the thread asks for my opinion in the matter, and I gave my opinion, as well as my reasoning. You, on the other hand, accused me of not being able to read for disagreeing with your points. That isn't engaging in a meaningful argument, that's insulting those who disagree with you. If you wanted a meaningful argument, you would've actually done something productive as a counterargument.

I'm here to drop m 2cents on the subject at hand, just as the thread ASKS ME TO IN THE TITLE, and to discuss in a civil argument with those who will have a civil argument with me. I'm not too lazy, I simply did what the thread's title asked and moved on. It's not my fault my comment triggered you so much that you had to insult me :D I'm tolerating this "one sided circlejerk" because it's true; I happen to agree with the truth.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:13 am
by Living Corpse
Are people on this forum incapable of not being assholes to one another? GHAWD.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:26 am
by miguelnuva
Shinomura not being mentioned in the film is weak evidence against the comic. Why in the 2014 film would a Muto that the humans killed 50 years ago be mentioned when discussing two new Muto and Godzilla who was eating nukes.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:12 am
by Gawdziller1954
miguelnuva wrote:Shinomura not being mentioned in the film is weak evidence against the comic. Why in the 2014 film would a Muto that the humans killed 50 years ago be mentioned when discussing two new Muto and Godzilla who was eating nukes.

I think the creature that caused the foundation of Monarch according to Awakening would be worth mentioning.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:15 pm
by miguelnuva
Gawdziller1954 wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Shinomura not being mentioned in the film is weak evidence against the comic. Why in the 2014 film would a Muto that the humans killed 50 years ago be mentioned when discussing two new Muto and Godzilla who was eating nukes.

I think the creature that caused the foundation of Monarch according to Awakening would be worth mentioning.


Godzilla fits that same role and survived and was still present. There was no need to mention a dead Muto st the time.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:37 pm
by UltramanGoji
Godzilla being the catalyst for Monarch's foundation is also infinitely more satisfying than some random OC that showed up in one comic and died.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:42 pm
by Gawdziller1954
UltramanGoji wrote:Godzilla being the catalyst for Monarch's foundation is also infinitely more satisfying than some random OC that showed up in one comic and died.

Exactly, which is another reason I prefer teh film continuity

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:19 pm
by Dv-218
UltramanGoji wrote:Godzilla being the catalyst for Monarch's foundation is also infinitely more satisfying than some random OC that showed up in one comic and died.


Same. I mean, I don't hate the Shinomura, but with the new Monsterverse cannon at hand their role in the whole thing seems to be kinda pointless.

And once again, vampire Serizawa and the Permian sail boats are two things no retcon can explain :lol:

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:21 pm
by Living Corpse
I would have been fine with it, had it even been brought up in the film.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:53 pm
by miguelnuva
Dv-218 wrote:
UltramanGoji wrote:Godzilla being the catalyst for Monarch's foundation is also infinitely more satisfying than some random OC that showed up in one comic and died.


Same. I mean, I don't hate the Shinomura, but with the new Monsterverse cannon at hand their role in the whole thing seems to be kinda pointless.

And once again, vampire Serizawa and the Permian sail boats are two things no retcon can explain :lol:


Your worried about Permian sail boats when the movie tired to say Castle Bravo was a kiloton bomb.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:14 pm
by Dv-218
miguelnuva wrote:
Dv-218 wrote:
UltramanGoji wrote:Godzilla being the catalyst for Monarch's foundation is also infinitely more satisfying than some random OC that showed up in one comic and died.


Same. I mean, I don't hate the Shinomura, but with the new Monsterverse cannon at hand their role in the whole thing seems to be kinda pointless.

And once again, vampire Serizawa and the Permian sail boats are two things no retcon can explain :lol:


Your worried about Permian sail boats when the movie tired to day Castle Bravo was a kiloton bomb.


Yeah both of these "historical facts" are quite laughable. The kiloton thing was actually one of the things that bothered me about the movie from the beginning lol.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:55 pm
by Desghidorah
I like to think of it as "soft Canon". Can be ignored if desired, but I take it as something along the lines of the comic happened, but the details might shift to better align with Canon.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:22 pm
by Moogabunga
Ignore

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:26 pm
by G2000
It's officially canon, but given how it conflicts with what has been established by the films and the films seem to be completely ignoring it it may as well not be.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:13 pm
by Living Corpse
G2000 wrote:It's officially canon, but given how it conflicts with what has been established by the films and the films seem to be completely ignoring it it may as well not be.


I'd be cool with it being partially canon, like Godzilla and another monster fought, Serizawa seeing Godzilla as a hero distorts his perception of the events making him an unreliable narrator and seeing the other monster as "evil" when they are both just animals fighting for their own survival.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:56 pm
by SenseiTeriyakiV
Living Corpse wrote:
G2000 wrote:It's officially canon, but given how it conflicts with what has been established by the films and the films seem to be completely ignoring it it may as well not be.


I'd be cool with it being partially canon, like Godzilla and another monster fought, Serizawa seeing Godzilla as a hero distorts his perception of the events making him an unreliable narrator and seeing the other monster as "evil" when they are both just animals fighting for their own survival.

Oh poop, that's a really cool idea. I'd love to see him struggling with his beliefs towards Godzilla play a part in KotM.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:32 pm
by UltramanGoji
Some people will be pissy but that's why I'd love Godzilla shifting towards a more chaotic neutral/lawful evil stance in these films, or at least becoming more aggressive towards mankind.

Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:38 pm
by Living Corpse
I wanna see psychological horror brought up more, I imagine knowing these giant monsters are real and worse some of them are capable of sinking entire civilizations under the ocean or causing world ending hurricanes is not good for ones mental health.