GODZILLA VS. KONG (2020) General Discussion Thread (No Leaks, Unofficial Photos/Vids, etc.)

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Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:13 am

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Rodan95 wrote:What if....Godzilla accidentally killed the Iwie's, and pisses Kong off?


I can see that happening. Whatever funky things are going on at Skull Island attracts a bunch of Titans there when they don't belong on that island. Godzilla shows up to restore balance and run them off, and destroys the village in the process. Kong pursues out of revenge. Or at the least, initiates the first battle between them.

That's how it might go tbh. While Godzilla does protect cities, I think he does it to keep the titans in line more than to save human lives. (Though I believe that after Serizawa's sacrifice, he does consider humanity part of earth that he needs to protect as well, just not high priority) So it could be possible that his actions may lead to the deaths of Iwi people and angering Kong, even if it's by accident. He has already killed people accidentally to create conflict as seen with him killing Andrew and kicking off a decent chunk of KOTM's plot.
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Valkanai wrote:Bad luck had absolutely everything to do with those numbers, and denying that is just kind of being a hater.

You heard it here folks, if you have ANY criticisms towards this movie at all, you’re a bonafide Hater


That's... not what he said, dude.

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Postby fred25_ca » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:49 am

Kong litterally murdered a bunch of people in Kong Skull Island. I'm not sure he's that much more on humanity's side than Godzilla...
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Postby KingKaiju » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:51 am

fred25_ca wrote:Kong litterally murdered a bunch of people in Kong Skull Island. I'm not sure he's that much more on humanity's side than Godzilla...


Stomped, ate, and killed some fools with a palm tree. But yeah... "protector of humanity!" :lol:
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Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:00 am

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fred25_ca wrote:Kong litterally murdered a bunch of people in Kong Skull Island. I'm not sure he's that much more on humanity's side than Godzilla...


Stomped, ate, and killed some fools with a palm tree. But yeah... "protector of humanity!" :lol:

He killed outsiders who were harming skull island with their bombs that were waking up Skullcrawlers. The Iwi are under his protection, anyone else are outsiders who cannot be trusted unless they care for the animals of Skull Island (like Weaver who tried to help a Sker Buffalo so Kong saved her and her friends). And if they try anything funny like dropping some bombs, they are enemies who should be killed. He's not on humanity's side, he's on Skull Islands side.

Godzilla's very presence is dangerous on the island, and his army of Titans are even worse news. So suffice to say, if Godzilla sets foot on Skull Island, poop's going down.
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Valkanai wrote:Bad luck had absolutely everything to do with those numbers, and denying that is just kind of being a hater.

You heard it here folks, if you have ANY criticisms towards this movie at all, you’re a bonafide Hater


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Postby KingKaiju » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:45 am

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fred25_ca wrote:Kong litterally murdered a bunch of people in Kong Skull Island. I'm not sure he's that much more on humanity's side than Godzilla...


Stomped, ate, and killed some fools with a palm tree. But yeah... "protector of humanity!" :lol:

He killed outsiders who were harming skull island with their bombs that were waking up Skullcrawlers. The Iwi are under his protection, anyone else are outsiders who cannot be trusted unless they care for the animals of Skull Island (like Weaver who tried to help a Sker Buffalo so Kong saved her and her friends). And if they try anything funny like dropping some bombs, they are enemies who should be killed. He's not on humanity's side, he's on Skull Islands side.

Godzilla's very presence is dangerous on the island, and his army of Titans are even worse news. So suffice to say, if Godzilla sets foot on Skull Island, poop's going down.


I get that. I'm just making a joke, because the notion that he somehow becomes the protector of man just seems a bit odd. It makes sense why he'd protect the people of Skull Island, that's his home. Even then, it seems more like him getting rid of the bigger threat, that just so happens to benefit everyone else, rather than to really go out of his way to protect specific people. I'm sure we'll get some kind of moment, to pay homage to the original Kong, when he comes into contact with people. But other than that, I'm not expecting much out of that narrative.
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Postby Rodan95 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:24 am

My theory for GvK:

- Skull Island is definitely a BIG factor to the story.
- Military, Monarch, and terrorists want the island for different reasons.
- Iwie's want left alone. Kong does too.
- Godzilla shows up on Kong's turf. Godzilla WAS going to leave, but something happens. They fight.
- Godzilla uses breath to hurt Kong, it backfires. Kong is hurt.
- Godzilla is going to use atomic breath again, Kong tries to break Godzilla's jaw but fails, Kong accidentally makes Godzilla blow up the Iwie village- killing them.
- Kong is frustrated, weak, and loses the first fight
- Godzilla doesnt care, walks away.

After that, Kong is pissed and wants to kill Godzilla. After that...idk just my theory.

It would be cool to see Tokyo as the 2nd fight and New York as the final fight. But who knows. And use The empire state building in a way too.

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Postby Ivo-goji » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:03 am

My prediction is that there will be human characters in the movie whose actions effect the plot and this idea Godzilla fans have in their minds of kaiju generating conflict purely on their own with the other stuff tacked on is neither a good filmmaking decision nor what the writers of GvsK plan on doing.
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Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:06 am

Ivo-goji wrote:My prediction is that there will be human characters in the movie whose actions effect the plot and this idea Godzilla fans have in their minds of kaiju generating conflict purely on their own with the other stuff tacked on is neither a good filmmaking decision nor what the writers of GvsK plan on doing.

Sad, but true. Puny humans need bigger roles in the plot than the giant monsters for it to be good in the eyes of critics and even a lot of normal people.
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Valkanai wrote:Bad luck had absolutely everything to do with those numbers, and denying that is just kind of being a hater.

You heard it here folks, if you have ANY criticisms towards this movie at all, you’re a bonafide Hater


That's... not what he said, dude.

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Postby Ivo-goji » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:18 am

GuardianGhido wrote:Sad, but true. Puny humans need bigger roles in the plot than the giant monsters for it to be good in the eyes of critics and even a lot of normal people.

I mean, no, it's not sad so much as it is "sane".

I want good Godzilla movies and all of the good Godzilla movies I've seen (G54, Mothra vs Godzilla, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, GMK) had strong human casts whose actions had a meaningful impact on how the story played out.
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Postby GuardianGhido » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:40 am

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GuardianGhido wrote:Sad, but true. Puny humans need bigger roles in the plot than the giant monsters for it to be good in the eyes of critics and even a lot of normal people.

I mean, no, it's not sad so much as it is "sane".

I want good Godzilla movies and all of the good Godzilla movies I've seen (G54, Mothra vs Godzilla, Terror of Mechagodzilla, Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, GMK) had strong human casts whose actions had a meaningful impact on how the story played out.

But I feel that the proper balance for a Godzilla movie is too hard to achieve for Hollywood, especially with 3 attempts compared to the many Toho got. We'll either get tons of human stuff with almost zero monster stuff or tons of monster stuff with little human stuff. Though there might be a chance for GvK to achieve the balance and finally make a movie wtih enough human and monster elements done right with groundbreaking success (and ensure the continuation of the Monsterverse), which I really want to be the case.
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Valkanai wrote:Bad luck had absolutely everything to do with those numbers, and denying that is just kind of being a hater.

You heard it here folks, if you have ANY criticisms towards this movie at all, you’re a bonafide Hater


That's... not what he said, dude.

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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:15 pm

Skull Island will become Monster Island. I mean it is a monster island but not THE Monster Island. Yet.
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Postby Ivo-goji » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:39 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Skull Island will become Monster Island. I mean it is a monster island but not THE Monster Island. Yet.

I would have thought so originally, since the creators have expressed an interest in doing something with the concept, but after KotM I'm not sure. The way the kaiju are shown in the end credits to rejuvenate the world indicates they're supposed to stay in their natural environments and take care of things. It doesn't seem like humanity could or should corral them into a single containment facility.
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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:43 pm

Ivo-goji wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Skull Island will become Monster Island. I mean it is a monster island but not THE Monster Island. Yet.

I would have thought so originally, since the creators have expressed an interest in doing something with the concept, but after KotM I'm not sure. The way the kaiju are shown in the end credits to rejuvenate the world indicates they're supposed to stay in their natural environments and take care of things. It doesn't seem like humanity could or should corral them into a single containment facility.


I don't think humans will have anything to do with it this time, the monsters need a home where they aren't stepping on cities and are close by so Godzilla can keep an eye on them.
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Postby miguelnuva » Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:17 pm

Kong's going to be the asshole here. Godzilla shows up and says Skull island is a good place for the Titans to live in coexistence, Kong doesn't want the others in his home. Conflict without either of them being villains.
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Postby Dv-218 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:04 pm

In other words, a kaiju version of "Gran Torino" with Kong instead of Clint Eastwood :lol:

I'm actually fully on board with this, excellent way of making a heated buildup for the conflict without turning either monster into a villain.

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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pm

miguelnuva wrote:Kong's going to be the asshole here. Godzilla shows up and says Skull island is a good place for the Titans to live in coexistence, Kong doesn't want the others in his home. Conflict without either of them being villains.


They're both assholes and both have reason to be upset. Godzilla is trying to keep the world safe but thinks just cause he fought King Ghidorah he has final say on everything. King Kong doesn't want intruders in his house, who would? But he's missing the bigger picture that this is for the greater good, and that it benafits everyone including him, more titans means less Skullcralwers. He might be able to climb down that mountain. That's not his home, that's where he lives to avoid being eaten. His species home used to be some plains before the vents open up and became the Skullcrawlers boneyard.
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Postby tyrantgoji » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:16 pm

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miguelnuva wrote:Kong's going to be the asshole here. Godzilla shows up and says Skull island is a good place for the Titans to live in coexistence, Kong doesn't want the others in his home. Conflict without either of them being villains.


They're both assholes and both have reason to be upset. Godzilla is trying to keep the world safe but thinks just cause he fought King Ghidorah he has final say on everything. King Kong doesn't want intruders in his house, who would? But he's missing the bigger picture that this is for the greater good, and that it benafits everyone including him, more titans means less Skullcralwers. He might be able to climb down that mountain. That's not his home, that's where he lives to avoid being eaten. His species home used to be some plains before the vents open up and became the Skullcrawlers boneyard.


so Goji has a ego and Kong's just misuderstood. In that case Kong sounds like the lesser doosh.

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Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:30 pm

I'm hoping the Goji we see in the Kong vs Godzilla cave painting is a different Goji and not THE Godzilla. Obviously it's a different Kong like an ancestor and not THE Kong we know since it was made before he was born and he was still a kid when we last saw him. I want the modern day Kong and Godzilla going into their fight completely blind, not knowing anything on how to fight each other.

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so Goji has a ego and Kong's just misuderstood. In that case Kong sounds like the lesser doosh.


You gotta also remember Kong and Godzilla are both from social species. Kong wasn't meant to be alone, but since he's probably the last of his kind he has become so used to being alone he now prefers it, and it probably makes him unnaturally short tempered for his species. It's not good for his mental health. Godzilla, we don't know much about his species, but he's probably alone too. Mothra was probably the last meaningful monster interaction he had in a long time that wasn't a fight. On some level I think Godzilla keeps the other Titans with him now partly to fight his own isolation.
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Postby Dynomy-DX » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:37 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Kong's going to be the asshole here. Godzilla shows up and says Skull island is a good place for the Titans to live in coexistence, Kong doesn't want the others in his home. Conflict without either of them being villains.


They're both assholes and both have reason to be upset. Godzilla is trying to keep the world safe but thinks just cause he fought King Ghidorah he has final say on everything. King Kong doesn't want intruders in his house, who would? But he's missing the bigger picture that this is for the greater good, and that it benafits everyone including him, more titans means less Skullcralwers. He might be able to climb down that mountain. That's not his home, that's where he lives to avoid being eaten. His species home used to be some plains before the vents open up and became the Skullcrawlers boneyard.


This makes a lot of sense and would keep both sides in character. Both sides are making brash decisions, but neither can be seen as the villain, per say. The best possible way to progress the characters, imho
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Postby miguelnuva » Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:37 pm

tyrantgoji wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Kong's going to be the asshole here. Godzilla shows up and says Skull island is a good place for the Titans to live in coexistence, Kong doesn't want the others in his home. Conflict without either of them being villains.


They're both assholes and both have reason to be upset. Godzilla is trying to keep the world safe but thinks just cause he fought King Ghidorah he has final say on everything. King Kong doesn't want intruders in his house, who would? But he's missing the bigger picture that this is for the greater good, and that it benafits everyone including him, more titans means less Skullcralwers. He might be able to climb down that mountain. That's not his home, that's where he lives to avoid being eaten. His species home used to be some plains before the vents open up and became the Skullcrawlers boneyard.


so Goji has a ego and Kong's just misuderstood. In that case Kong sounds like the lesser doosh.


Godzilla is preventing a war between humans and Titans. King wile right to defend his home is coming off as just as dooshy.
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