Toho Kingdom

Chris55 wrote:

JGAR wrote:So the movie's gross won't matter?

It'll be fine. If you WANT to worry about it, you have 3 1/2 years of waiting around with nothing else to do before you start worrying.

That just might be long enough for certain people to get pass that cynical butthurt stage of their life and start learning to enjoy the simple things in life.



Hahaha! I kid of course.

Chris55 wrote:

Underworld54 wrote:There's only going to be a trilogy if the second film performs financially, if the second film bleeds cash we won't see it. Lets not put the cart before the horse.

For this one, The cart can be WAAAY in front of the horse. Like miles in front of it. So far in front of it, it's gonna be a dot in the distance.

Yes, for this one...the sequel to the first film.

We'll see.

Time for some wild speculation! XD

- No matter what the film is actually about, I think it may open with Godzilla attacking a city or a nuclear power plant, something like the opening of GvD or G2K. Why? Well, for one, it's a good device to throw us back into the story quickly with a short introductory action sequence (plus, it'll probably squish early complaints of "not enough Godzilla" by tossing him at the audience early). The opening action sequence is also something Hollywood has done plenty of times for the opening scenes of sequels: Batman fighting the Scarecrow and his goons in the opening of The Dark Knight, for instance. It would also make Godzilla's likely absence from the rest of Act One (as is typical for the franchise) a little more acceptable.

- I know some people seem pretty adamant that this isn't the case, but I'm certain Godzilla 2 will have Mothra, Rodan, and King Ghidorah. It probably won't be a GTTHM remake, but I won't be surprised if afterward that's the movie everyone's comparing it to.

- Unless Edwards runs off to do another movie after Godzilla 2, the (presumed) third movie will probably be scheduled for a June 2020 release.

Pkmatrix wrote:Time for some wild speculation! XD

- No matter what the film is actually about, I think it may open with Godzilla attacking a city or a nuclear power plant, something like the opening of GvD or G2K. Why? Well, for one, it's a good device to throw us back into the story quickly with a short introductory action sequence (plus, it'll probably squish early complaints of "not enough Godzilla" by tossing him at the audience early). The opening action sequence is also something Hollywood has done plenty of times for the opening scenes of sequels: Batman fighting the Scarecrow and his goons in the opening of The Dark Knight, for instance. It would also make Godzilla's likely absence from the rest of Act One (as is typical for the franchise) a little more acceptable.

- I know some people seem pretty adamant that this isn't the case, but I'm certain Godzilla 2 will have Mothra, Rodan, and King Ghidorah. It probably won't be a GTTHM remake, but I won't be surprised if afterward that's the movie everyone's comparing it to.

- Unless Edwards runs off to do another movie after Godzilla 2, the (presumed) third movie will probably be scheduled for a June 2020 release.

Have Godzilla attacking another monster in the opening, set in a city, during the day.
The final Battle will likely be at night, and this would give us a day time battle.

JGAR wrote:Here are some predictions I have for the future:

-For a while I thought the third film was going to be a DAM remake, but now I'm thinking it could be another Godzilla VS Mecha-Godzilla movie, simply because Legendary only has rights to 5 monsters (3 of those already revealed).

Except they could secure the rights to more Toho monsters for it if they were so inclined (who knows? They may have already done so and we just don't know it yet), and I thought the 5 Toho monsters was including Godzilla, meaning there's only one other one they have the rights to ATM.

Also, a DAM remake would allow them to give us some new monsters in addition to Toho ones, thus allowing them to showcase some more of their creativity. Of course, I don't buy that the sequels had to have them, much less that it should only be new monsters appearing like some apparently want. There actually were some people whining and bitching when they announced that they've secured the rights to Toho monsters at CC this year, I shit you not. One guy in particular, who's name and forum shall remain anonymous, even went as far as to call it "lazy and ripping off of Toho's success." By that "logic," Legendary should've just made whole new villains for the two Dark Knight films (because LP produced the Nolan Batman trilogy as well, let's not forget, and Thomas Tull is an exec producer for both trilogies from Legendary) instead of "ripping off" DC villains; Joker, Bane, Two Face, Catwoman, Ras, Scarecrow. After all, WB (their then-distributor) showed us in the past that they can create innovative new Batman villains in Red Hood, who's to say they can't do it again, right, right?

LMAO, glad these people (especially this guy) weren't on the production team for the Nolan Batman trilogy and aren't on this one, either. Could you imagine how underwhelmed moviegoers would be for them if they adopted this mentality for the TDK films that they apparently want them to for the Legendary Godzilla trilogy instead of giving us the two major Batman villains we all know and love (Joker and Bane)? Plus, "rubber suits are on the same footing as modern CGI, a la Transformers, Pacific Rim, etc."...said no one ever.

Hotrod93 wrote:Have Godzilla attacking another monster in the opening, set in a city, during the day.
The final Battle will likely be at night, and this would give us a day time battle.

Another thought I had was to introduce Rodan and have Godzilla fight him right there in the opening sequence. Rodan doesn't really have much backstory you need to spend time on, unless you intend to introduce his mate and all of that.

It could start with the military battling Rodan as he approaches a city, then Godzilla appears in the city and we get a fight as the opening credits roll. That would actually give a lot of breathing room in Act One to spend introducing Mothra and King Ghidorah, both of which really need at least that much time to set up.

I just still don't understand why everybody wants all the characters in one movie.

If they don't all appear in Godzilla 2, then what will happen in Godzilla 2? Are we still going to see new monsters instead of Toho monsters? Fuck that shit.

They (Mothra, Rodan and King Ghidorah) were all revealed to be in Godzilla 2 at Comi-Con, if I'm remembering right.

Gareth said he wanted to do a Destroy All Monsters style movie, so I expect that would be the third movie if that gets made. Maybe, like what happened with the Ford's Moth easter egg, we'll have easter eggs hinting at possible monsters for the third movie in G2? That way if the sequel doesn't happen, they're just Easter eggs for the fans and not hooks for a sequel which never happened.

By the way, it's going to be real confusing when people are saying G2 now. :p

Chris55 wrote:

Jiragozira14 wrote:They (Mothra, Rodan and King Ghidorah) were all revealed to be in Godzilla 2 at Comi-Con, if I'm remembering right.

They just said they got the rights to em.

Wait, I thought they showed a "behind-closed-doors" teaser for it....or am I mistaken on that?

Chris55 wrote:IF all 3 are in part 2.

It's more likely all three will be in Part 2 than not, IMO.

For a Rodan reveal, You could actually bring back the MUTO. A younger one, like a larva stage or whatever and have it chase the humans for a bit.

Then they notice something big flying towards them. The humans think it's a fully grown male MUTO. Then they realize it's way bigger.

Long story short: Rodan's roar is heard, the MUTO is eaten via a Rodan swooping run, and humans and everything else is thrown/blown around like a hurricane hit it due to said swooping.

It decently sets up Rodan, assuming they go this route, as an equal to Godzilla.
With what "beating" the monster from last movie and the causing a natural disaster ala Godzilla's tsunami.

Or something like that.

JGAR wrote:If they don't all appear in Godzilla 2, then what will happen in Godzilla 2? Are we still going to see new monsters instead of Toho monsters? Fuck that shit.

Yeah because after all we don't need new monsters screw that . the reason I don't want them all in the second one, is because I want every character to have their own developement time and perfect amount of screen time. and most likely there will be one Toho Kaiju in the second movie probably both Mothra and Rodan will be in the 2nd one and don't tell me that crap about oh they showed a trailer and if they aren't all in the second one then a lot of fans will be pissed. what about Thanos yeah Marvel fans had Thanos shown in the first Avengers movie in 2012 and he won't be in a movie until what exactly oh yeah 2018. so almost 7 years pretty long time and yet they wait why couldn't we wait.

g2vd wrote:Yeah because after all we don't need new monsters screw that .

I'd prefer if we had all-new monsters in Godzilla 2, but I've seen and heard nothing to suggest or support there being any new monsters in the movie.

These are my suggestions:

No more Brodys and that is from someone who definitely liked the Brodys. Unlike most other American blockbuster characters, in my opinion they were a nicely portrayed, sympathetic and realistic family (I also really appreciated how respectful Ford was towards Cranston in their scenes even though he thought he was crazy, any other U.S. movie would have had him whining and tossing petty insults at his dad any chance he got) but there is simply no need for them in the sequels. It would be like how they kept bringing back Roy Scheider's family in the Jaws sequels. I remember my dad and other people back in the day making jokes about it, ie: "Haha, is the shark stalking the family now?" Definitely want to see them bring back Dr. Serizawa, Sally Hawkins and Admiral Stenz though. Serizawa, Monarch and the army are obviously directly connected to these events in an ongoing basis. Based on Edward's own words, these movies are supposed to be going against the grain of typical american blockbuster tropes and dragging the Brodys back into the action just to give Aaron Taylor Johnson a deal for a sequel would definitely fall under that in my opinion.

-As others have said, have Godzilla right away in the opening sequence or early in the movie. He has already been reintroduced, there is no point of saving him repeatedly again. Maybe he could have a brief battle of some kind or be doing something like attacking a nuclear power plant (maybe a complication of some kind could be preventing him from naturally absorbing radiation from the earth's core which forces him to go after nukes sometimes?) or a conflict with the army at some point to help reinforce the fact that yes, while technically he helped protect humanity in the last movie, it was only because the Mutos would have destroyed the earth if he hadn't stepped in. He is NOT humanity's personal hero or protector, he is a force of nature.

-If all three monsters are going to be in the next movie then as someone else said, it would help to have Godzilla have a pivotal fight scene with either Mothra, Rodan or Ghidorah early on. Doing something like that would satisfy people early on and then allow breathing room for the other two kaiju to develop their respective roles in between.

-My theory though is unless Edwards goes all in right away with his desire to haved a "monster island" or DAM style component, having all three monsters in one movie may be hard to pull off and the next movie may only have Mothra and Rodan. Spiderman 3 is a good example of a very good director having a difficult time balancing three major antagonists at once (then again, part of the problem there was Sony and Marvel forced Raimi to include Venom along with Goblin and Sandman when he didn't want to), that may be an extreme example but it shows that it is risky. So maybe Godzilla will battle Mothra early on and be at odds with her but then when it's shown that Rodan is the "villian" they team up somehow to take him down? Then have a plot point develop near the end of the movie that will lead us into Ghidorah being the kaiju in the third movie. Unless they intend on having another kaiju other than Mothra/Rodan/Ghidorah/other element be Godzilla's enemy in the third movie then I guess you could have Goji, Mothra, and Rodan tussling early on and then doing an old school Ghidrah style tag team on Ghidorah later.

-More screen time for Godzilla and the other monsters, please. I was fine with holding him back in this movie because this was both his reintroduction and an origin story, plus the final battle was very satisfying. I really appreciate Edward's diligence in avoiding the typical CGI excess and trappings of "popcorn" movies but there really should also be a way to have nice, lengthier kaiju scenes without devolving into Michael Bay territory. Give us some nice, organic pull back shots of the creatures now and then. Less cut aways, even if it's not battle related, just allow the monsters to breathe more this time and at least let the audience really take them in and be in awe of them instead of just dangling them out occasionally like carrots on a stick. Yes, human characters are still important but if as was stated for the last film, "this is his movie, he's really the star" then actually show that this time.

-Make Godzilla and the other monsters more threatening and make sure they are still in control and that humans are still helpless. No cliched subplot to pander and stroke the egos of American audience members that involve Monarch or the military becoming "monster hunters" or discovering a weapon of some kind that gives them an edge. RAISE THE STAKES. The movie should take place in an earth that is increasingly more dangerous for humans to live in. Give a sense of "Kaiju are here to stay, they're NOT leaving any time soon, and humanity will simply have to deal with that fact."

-Going in line with the last point, PLEASE, no silly, cliched "conspiracy" or subplot where Monarch and the military are STILL trying to cover up the existence of the monsters as that would be absurd at this point. Godzilla appeared on CNN at the end of the last movie after kaijus almost destroyed Honolulu, Las Vegas and San Francisco, it's over. There is no coverup to be done, monsters exist and now anyone with a functioning brain knows it. Monarch's role should be strictly to explore and advise on what is already established reality within the universe of the movie at this point, not being in the shadows showing old reel footage and hoping crap doesn't hit the fan when it already has.

Anyways, I'd love to see some things that go in line with the above suggestions but that said, as long as Godzilla and the other monsters are approached with the same respectful manner used in the last movie, I'll be happy. I just want a bit more Godzilla, less cut aways and a bit more focus on kaiju in general is all.

One aspect of the plot of which I think will be interesting is if Monarch gets into big trouble from the U.S. gov't for not handling the creatures properly and is forcibly disbanded, only to be replaced with a new group. This new group soon turns out to be much more ruthless, sinister and corrupt.

How's that for an idea regarding human antagonists?

LegendZilla wrote:One aspect of the plot of which I think will be interesting is if Monarch gets into big trouble from the U.S. gov't for not handling the creatures properly and is forcibly disbanded, only to be replaced with a new group. This new group soon turns out to be much more ruthless, sinister and corrupt.

How's that for an idea regarding human antagonists?

I would actually really like to see that. That would be pretty interesting to see in my opinion.

Here's my wishlist for Godzilla 2:

-The only returning characters should be Serizawa and Graham. Give them a little more character development, too; put them through hell and let their true colors show.

-No more restraint. I liked the first cutaway in Godzilla 2014. It was clever, it goes down in franchise history. Job done. The rest of the cutaways were annoying and they should definitely not be in a sequel.

-Godzilla 2014 gave the monsters some personality. This was good. Keep that.

-Get rid of Alexander Desplat. His score outside of the opening them was mediocre at best. This time around they should also add an Akira Ifukube track.

-Get rid of Max Borenstein. I know it wouldn't happen, but it would honestly help the movie.

-For the love of gosh, NO MILITARY SUBPLOTS! "Oh, we have to drive away monsters from a heavily populated area." "Oh noes, we can't deactivate a nuke we accidentally set off!" "We found the monster's weakness that must be executed through this super-specific thing with our military plans." In all honesty, these are the most boring parts of kaiju films for me. It's just moving around checker pieces to progress the plot; I'd rather have either character development or monster action, not this. The only time it worked is in Gamera 2: Attack of Legion, and that's because there was actually tension and creativity and the military was actually useful for once.

-Make Mothra, Rodan, and King Ghidorah look like they're supposed to. Don't force dark n' gritty or "realistic" n' bulky redesigns that you see on Deviantart and other places where they stamp the Legendary Pictures logo on shitty fan pictures of the monsters in an attempt to be "cool."

-Focus on the characters more.

KaijuArcade, I doubt ATJ will return in the next installment as he never really seemed interested in the role in the first place and didnt seem to care for selling it either. That being said the only thing about the Brody's that would probably make it into the sequel is a quick reference. And 20th Century Boy no Akira Ifukube is needed in this new franchise. Thats been done with and its time to move on. Besides Displat was decent with his delivery imo. His ability to build suspense in certain scenes was captivating. But I agree to some extent and I would prefer a composer who can execute a hard hitting track for this new Godzilla. Theres room for improvement there.