Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby GodzillaSpawn » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:51 pm

I really like the Final Wars Godzilla alot better than SOS. The sleekness, the more aggressive looking face, the hidden eyes. He had the "don't mess with me" face and a body that actually looked capable in combat. The Kiyru-Goji suit is actually one of my least favorite designs. It doesn't look mean enough to me. It may look very reptilian, but it also looks expressionless. The eyes look lifeless, and that's a big deal to me. They never move. He looks like the slowest Godzilla ever. I'm not a fan of the scar...I like my Godzillas to regenerate. I think I just got tired of the millennium designs (except for GMK). Final Wars looks more like the oldschool Showa designs.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Rody » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:06 am

GodzillaSpawn wrote: The Kiyru-Goji suit is actually one of my least favorite designs. It doesn't look mean enough to me. It may look very reptilian, but it also looks expressionless. The eyes look lifeless, and that's a big deal to me.

On the contrary, I think Kiryu-Goji is very expressive. The shape of his face and the way his eyes are positioned suggest a arrogant Godzilla, one who is disdainful of humans, and perhaps every other being he encounters.

GodzillaSpawn wrote:Final Wars looks more like the oldschool Showa designs.

Actually, it's more like a cross between the Showa and Heisei designs.
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby GodzillaSpawn » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:17 am

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GodzillaSpawn wrote: The Kiyru-Goji suit is actually one of my least favorite designs. It doesn't look mean enough to me. It may look very reptilian, but it also looks expressionless. The eyes look lifeless, and that's a big deal to me.

On the contrary, I think Kiryu-Goji is very expressive. The shape of his face and the way his eyes are positioned suggest a arrogant Godzilla, one who is disdainful of humans, and perhaps every other being he encounters.

GodzillaSpawn wrote:Final Wars looks more like the oldschool Showa designs.

Actually, it's more like a cross between the Showa and Heisei designs.
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Where you see arrogant Kiryu-Goji, to me it looks blank. Like he's confused and dumbfounded. He looks oblivious to whatever is happening around him. Like a fish in a fishbowl. No matter if you shoot him with 50 missiles or hug him, he'll have the same exact face. GMK Godzilla always looked arrogant and evil, but even with pupiless eyes, was far more effective with expressions. Kaneko nailed that aspect though.

And yeah the head on Final Goji, especially the crown, look hesei, but his slender build, hands, feet, and spines scream Showa to me. I think I'm just tired of the huge jagged spines and the toad/desert lizard face.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Rody » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:36 am

Practically EVERY Godzilla's face is unchanging. That's just the way the suits are. Sokogecki-Goji was an exception where animatronics were placed in the head.
Any problems Kiryu-Goji had with bodily expression came not from the appearance of the suit, but from the build; it was very stiff.

Now, if you had said you thought Mire-Goji had an expressionless face, I would have agreed fully. I can't make out any emotion or thoughts when I look at that suit's face, other than primitive animal savagery.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Gojira1963 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:50 pm

KiryuGoji03 wrote:I like Tokyo SOS. Dunno why...

It is one of my favorites too!
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby GodzillaSpawn » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:25 pm

Rody wrote:Practically EVERY Godzilla's face is unchanging. That's just the way the suits are. Sokogecki-Goji was an exception where animatronics were placed in the head.
Any problems Kiryu-Goji had with bodily expression came not from the appearance of the suit, but from the build; it was very stiff.

Now, if you had said you thought Mire-Goji had an expressionless face, I would have agreed fully. I can't make out any emotion or thoughts when I look at that suit's face, other than primitive animal savagery.


I'm sorry, but I'm not very good with the official goji suit names (unless they are obvious and have the other monsters name in it). But I am aware many of the suit heads don't benefit from animatronics, but even back in the day they usually had the robot heads that were more expressing than the SOS one. Even in the 60's, I felt like Godzilla's face had levels of anger it would show (or when he looked puzzled and his eyes went side-to-side). Godzilla '84, much like '64, ALWAYS looked pissed so I don't think those examples help my case but rather are just my preference. But the robot heads after that, specifically Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah where you see him recognize Shindo and his eyes are fixed on the man as the gears in his mind are obviously going. He's snarling and grimacing; Godzilla actually looked conflicted. Then he coldly vaporized him.

I honestly feel like GMK and Final Wars costumes convey emotions far greater than the other Millennium suits. I just think it's something about the shape of the head and the eyes that limit how much emotion is conveyed. But I do agree, part of it is the suit as well. Definitely stiff and he didn't even seem to bother to react when he was attacked with anything in the movie. It looked like my bandai figure at times.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Rody » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:55 pm

I think Final-Goji's facial design was aiming for the sullen, resentful look of Mosu-Goji(1964), but because the eyes are rather concealed, it hurts the design.

If we're going to talk about all four Millennium suits, we probably should migrate to a more appropriate thread: http://tohokingdom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5573&start=240

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Mincecraft » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:15 am

GodzillaSpawn wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not very good with the official goji suit names (unless they are obvious and have the other monsters name in it).


I agree, I have no idea which suits you are talking about Rody.

Can we just go by the year?

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Carthormerr » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:27 am

Kiryu Goji was more like an animal and Final Goji more like a monster
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby GodzillaSpawn » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:32 am

Carthormerr wrote:Kiryu Goji was more like an animal and Final Goji more like a monster


I agree with this. And I like my Godzilla look more monster-like than animal-like.

After thinking longer on what I said in this thread, I shouldn't have said Final Wars Godzilla had more expression. His face, much like the '64 Godzilla, always stays the same. I just prefer the expression way more.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Carthormerr » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:53 am

GodzillaSpawn wrote:And I like my Godzilla look more monster-like than animal-like.


100% agree with this. All of the best films IMO he was more monster-like
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Godzilla2004fan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:30 am

I like both, but I prefer Godzilla FW.
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Postby Maritonic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:33 am

Godzilla2004fan wrote:I like both, but I prefer Godzilla FW.


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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby eabaker » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:04 am

They are probably my two least favorite suits in the entire series (even below Musuko-Goji). I agree with those who find Kiryu-Goji particularly lifeless and kind of clueless looking. Final-Goji, on the other hand, looks particularly stupid and mean. Those hidden eyes really kill the suit for me.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Maritonic » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:06 am

eabaker wrote:They are probably my two least favorite suits in the entire series (even below Musuko-Goji). I agree with those who find Kiryu-Goji particularly lifeless and kind of clueless looking. Final-Goji, on the other hand, looks particularly stupid and mean. Those hidden eyes really kill the suit for me.

Can I just rate them both zeroes?


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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby tbeasley » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:13 pm

The Kiryu design has grown on me over time and I quite like the SOS design with the big scar on his chest. To me it's the Millennium Godzilla in the same way 89/91 is Heisei and 64 or 68 is Showa.

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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:06 pm

I prefer the SOS suit, but I think they both complement their stories quite well.
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby Godzilla165 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:19 am

SOS always had a worn, tired and old feel to him where it seemed he didn’t really want to fight anymore. Final Wars was the Kaiju version of modern Doomguy/Doomslayer, where he was nothing but unbridled rage and destruction.

As far as which suit is better, Final Wars due to his lean design and those sunken, fiery eyes.
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby HillyHulk » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:31 am

The Tokyo S.O.S Godzilla is just 1999-2000 Godzilla with darker and smaller spines. Godzilla Final Wars actually looked different with the leaner yet still muscular body along with the alligator-like face and cool red-orange eyes. I give it to Final Wars Godzilla.
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Re: Which Godzilla suit is better Tokyo SOS or Final Wars

Postby latinothor » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:18 pm

Godzilla Final Wars has a more balance set of features as a monster in general. And those eyes sometimes hidden in darkness remind me of a Darth Vaderish look to it. My vote goes to Godzilla Final Wars as one of my favorites in the whole series actually.


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