Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby KingKaiju » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:33 pm

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KingKaiju wrote:Anyone else feel like this movie is a lot more... "cinematic" than a lot of the other films in this series? I can't tell what if it's the way that it's shot or the fighting or something, but I feel like this is generally a lot better shot and looking than the following featuress

No you’re definitely not the only one, everything about this movie is leagues better than all the other Millennium films combined. If all the other films were like this one, the Millennium series would have easily been miles better than the Heisei series


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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby KillCrites » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:25 am

Man I didn't know this movie was so loved on here, I need to give it another viewing because I was honestly underwhelmed last time I saw G2000.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:37 am

KillCrites wrote:Man I didn't know this movie was so loved on here, I need to give it another viewing because I was honestly underwhelmed last time I saw G2000.

Compared to the rest of the Millennium series?
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby KillCrites » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:48 am

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KillCrites wrote:Man I didn't know this movie was so loved on here, I need to give it another viewing because I was honestly underwhelmed last time I saw G2000.

Compared to the rest of the Millennium series?

I find GMK and GxMG to be much better movies in terms of characters and plot.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:55 am

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KillCrites wrote:Man I didn't know this movie was so loved on here, I need to give it another viewing because I was honestly underwhelmed last time I saw G2000.

Compared to the rest of the Millennium series?

I find GMK and GxMG to be much better movies in terms of characters and plot.


GMK, yes. Godzilla X Mechagodzilla I definitely disagree with you, but to each their own.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Zarm » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:05 am

And I'll take the exact opposite view. :) For me, Against Mechagodzilla slightly edges this one out in that regard, but not so much GMK.

That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:09 am

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That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.


Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Dr. Professor » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:21 am

Maritonic wrote:
Zarm wrote:
That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.


Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.

I actually just got that blu-ray last month. When I tried to watch the Japanese version I actually didn't even finish it cause I just got bored, which was disappointing cause the American cut places the film at #6 for me.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Zarm » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:56 am

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Zarm wrote:
That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.


Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.


Ditto. And agreed. :)
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Godzillian » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:01 am

It doesn't mean much to be the 2nd best Millennium film considering how poor quality the rest are. It's easily beaten by GMK but then again most Godzilla films are. I always found Godzilla 2000 slightly above average for a Godzilla film, if it wasn't followed by such subpar films (excluding GMK) it wouldn't be as fondly looked at as it is
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Zarm » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:55 am

I would disagree. I think Godzilla 2000 is something special in terms of tone and style. Not even a throwback to a previous style after a stale run toward the end of Heisei, but something essentially unique in feel and scope. I would easily call it the best film since vs. Biollante, and probably the 3rd or 4th best film produced in the post-showa era. Not retroactively, by what comes after; indeed, in a chronological watch, it feels very much like the herald of an exciting new era. Its successor may let it down- but it doesn't form the impression that G2000 was something special. The film forms that impression on its own, for subsequent films to live up to or not.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:20 pm

Maritonic wrote:
Zarm wrote:
That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.


Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.

Ghidrah’s dub is far superior than the original
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Godzillian » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:46 am

PitchBlackProgress wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
Zarm wrote:
That said, the Japanese cut of this film is a lot more underwhelming. There's a vital spark that's missing.


Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.

Ghidrah’s dub is far superior than the original

War of the Gargantuas US cut is superior to its Japanese one as well
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Maritonic » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:31 am

Personally I prefer the Japanese version of all the films, except Godzilla 2000.

I enjoy The Return of Godzilla and Godzilla: King of the Monsters because they feel like completely different films than their source material, but other than that I don't know. It's never felt worth it to really watch the American versions.

Then again, it's been at least 10 years since I've watched the American versions of any of these films, so I'm not entirely sure how good my memory is about the quality of these.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Terasawa » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:56 am

Maritonic wrote:Personally I prefer the Japanese version of all the films, except Godzilla 2000.

I enjoy The Return of Godzilla and Godzilla: King of the Monsters because they feel like completely different films than their source material, but other than that I don't know. It's never felt worth it to really watch the American versions.

Then again, it's been at least 10 years since I've watched the American versions of any of these films, so I'm not entirely sure how good my memory is about the quality of these.


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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby kamilleblu » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:57 am

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PitchBlackProgress wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
Absolutely yes. I'll never forget finally getting that blu-ray that had both the American and Japanese versions, being so excited to see the Japanese cut and then being so....under whelmed.

This is the only film where the American version is superior - in my opinion.

Ghidrah’s dub is far superior than the original

War of the Gargantuas US cut is superior to its Japanese one as well

The US versions of Mothra vs Godzilla and Monster Zero are superior to their Japanese counterparts too. Overall, Honda's 60s trilogy was handled fairly well by their American distributors. For the most part there no jarring additions, Ifukube's music was largely retained, and the dubs are actually good. And I think people are too hard on Godzilla: King of the Monsters (1956). Even with most of the obvious commentary removed or reduced it still carries the original message and works as an independent film. But Godzilla 2000 might be the only case where the American version completely outdoes the Japanese film.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby GojiDog » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:59 pm

I definitely prefer the US version of this film.

Watching both versions recently, the most striking thing is the sound editing where the US version just blows the original cut out of the water. Beefed up sound effects and a jazzed up musical score really make the film more of an audio experience.

Also, the edits made throughout the film improve the pacing tremendously. They only removed 9 minutes or so but its amazing how much of a faster pace the film has without that 9 minutes.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Desghidorah » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:27 pm

Alongside what everyone has said, I think this has probably the best child character in a Godzilla film. Mayu Suzuki and Rachel Crane as Io Shinoda I can't help but find precious. She's smart and mature for her age, but not unrealistically so and thus saves her from being a Kenny/Kendra from a Gamera film. She clearly loves her father, has some funny lines and is Little Miss Snarky a lot, and seeing her bond with Yuki over time from mild antagonism to pretending she's her mom to try and save her is a nice touch.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Bane » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:10 pm

Excellent entry and comeback for director Okawara, who really redeemed himself considering his past contributions to the series. Tied with GMK for the best of the Millennium series, the rest are good, but this is my personal favorite.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:21 pm

The Hattori score is a really good listen on it's own, you guys should listen to it sometime.
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