Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby eabaker » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:03 am

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I know what you mean. I feel the same, now that you mention it.


Yeah, it's not a movie that inspires a lot of enthusiasm in me, but it feels familiar and satisfying.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Vatarian » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:18 pm

Still my absolute fav Godzilla movie.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Thanos6 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:44 pm

One thing I like about this film, I get the feeling that most of the people involved with it were having fun and enjoyed making it, which to me is always a huge, huge positive.

Especially among the crew who did the English dub, you can tell it was a labor of love, even without hearing the DVD commentary.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby mikelcho » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:40 pm

One question about the American Blu-ray. Is the Japanese version on it subtitled or dubtitled; e.g., is the G-cell called Organizer G-1 (the Japanese name) or Regenerator G-1 (the American name)?
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Zarm » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:58 am

I don't think it's dubtitled, as it contains plot points that were not in the English version, as well as scenes. The missiles are full metal missiles. The nature of the aliens are discussed. Using 'Auntie' as an insult instead of 'imbecile'. If it's not from the Japanese version, it could have fooled me.

But if I'm remembering correctly, they do still keep it 'Regenerator G1' in the subtitles, even though you can hear them saying 'Organizer.'
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby mikelcho » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:05 am

Thanks, Zarm. That helps a lot. Now I can definitely buy it in good confidence. Even with one mistake (and you're not sure that that's even there), it's good-I'm willing to be reasonable with Sony.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby jackzilla » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:01 am

This is one of my favorite Godzilla films for sure. A big reason why I like it so much is about how much Godzilla is in it. He's in this one a TON, and he's always wrecking stuff. And, I really, really like the main human characters in this one. This is one of the only Godzilla films where I actually like the characters, so that plus how much Godzilla is in it make this one of my top five favorites in the franchise for sure.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:14 pm

This movie is definitely in my top five. It's my all time favorite suit design and the first scenes of Godzilla attacking the scenes city at night, and then when he comes ashore and is confronted by the military are among my favorite scenes.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby BlacktimusPrime » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:18 am

I just earlier today rewatched this one, and one thing really stood out to me - the lead character is not as likeable as I remembered. While Katagiri is cold-blooded, trying to kill a monster that's been terrorizing your nation for decades is definitely the right thing to do; human life is infinitely more precious than scientific advances. The self-righteous speech he gives on "you really call this civilization" made him look like a jerk. Admittedly this may just be the dub, though. Anyone who's seen the subbed version can probably give more insight on this.

This is still a personal fave, don't get me wrong. Just thought I'd share some new insight into the film I've gained and maybe spark some edifying discussion (or because this is the interweb, more likely rage and personal attacks, lol).
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby GojiDog » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 am

G2K is one of the few cases where I prefer the US cut over the original Japanese version, but even with that, Shinoda's big speech about destroying things we don't understand while a UFO is flying around killing everybody felt very misplaced.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby edgaguirus » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:52 pm

It's not easy being the morale center of the plot. Shinoda tries, but doesn't do it well. However, I do like his character.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:46 pm

BlacktimusPrime wrote:I just earlier today rewatched this one, and one thing really stood out to me - the lead character is not as likeable as I remembered. While Katagiri is cold-blooded, trying to kill a monster that's been terrorizing your nation for decades is definitely the right thing to do; human life is infinitely more precious than scientific advances.


I think you're misinterpreting Shinoda's character and his goals.


Katagiri: "And in the meantime, he just levels Tokyo."

Shinoda: "Of course not, that's why I created the network. He must be contained, I realize that."


Shinoda's research into Godzilla is what allows him to predict where he will show up and how to mitigate the damage. He learns at the beginning of the movie that shutting down nuclear reactors isn't enough to keep Godzilla from coming ashore, and tries to warn Katagiri.

Both are looking to keep Godzilla from causing further damage. Their methods are simply different.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby JAGzilla » Sun Aug 19, 2018 3:14 am

I haven't seen the movie in a few years, so I don't remember what all Shinoda specifically says, but I imagine the scientific advances he's talking about would be meant to save lives, so it's hardly an either/or situation. Yes, in the short term a living Godzilla might kill a few thousand people, but in the long term, Regenerator G1 might save billions from injury or disease.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby kamilleblu » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:18 am

There's a lot to like with this one. The dysfunctional family and Katagiri make for some of most interesting human drama of the post-Showa films, it features one of the more memorable Godzilla designs and performances, and has a unique twist on the tired alien invasion formula. Unfortunately, the visual effects are wildly inconsistent. On one hand you have the fantastic looking miniatures and action set-pieces; vast improvements over the work done for the other 90s Godzilla films. But you also have the Millennian UFO, Orga's first form, and Godzilla swimming. Yikes.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Ivo-goji » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:37 am

The CGI still holds up pretty well to me.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby kamilleblu » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:01 pm

Ivo-goji wrote:The CGI still holds up pretty well to me.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:10 pm

I think a better example of the CGI would be Orga devouring Godzilla. It's not super realistic but for Japan, for 1999, I think it holds up pretty well.

The UFO also looks fine to me, but a lot of that is helped due to the smooth, mirror-like texture of the spacecraft.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Ivo-goji » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:19 pm

kamilleblu wrote:
Ivo-goji wrote:The CGI still holds up pretty well to me.

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No complaints here.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby Zarm » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:19 pm

kamilleblu wrote:
Ivo-goji wrote:The CGI still holds up pretty well to me.


I suspect that's supposed to be self-evidently bad, but it looks awesome to me. (Some UFO shots far less so, admittedly).
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

Postby eabaker » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:19 pm

I always find it interesting when people criticize unconvincing CGI in a series beloved for presenting what are obviously men in suits as giant monsters.
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