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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:53 pm

VoyagerGoji wrote:My opinion of this film:
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Don't post this kind of poop if you don't want to get bullied.

Godzilla vs. Megaguirus is the most original Godzilla film since '91.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has perhaps the best kaiju battle in the whole series.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has by far the best of the three Oshima scores.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus features the most ambitious special effects work since '89.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus was the second and last Millennium film made without heavy studio control and interference.
Megaguirus herself is the best new kaiju since Biollante.

You wanna know what's really worthless? Hating on this movie when every skreeonking Heisei worshipper and Kiryu lover has already done it.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby VoyagerGoji » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:55 pm

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
VoyagerGoji wrote:My opinion of this film:
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Don’t bully me.

Don't post this kind of poop if you don't want to get bullied.

Godzilla vs. Megaguirus is the most original Godzilla film since '91.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has perhaps the best kaiju battle in the whole series.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has by far the best of the three Oshima scores.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus features the most ambitious special effects work since '89.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus was the second and last Millennium film made without heavy studio control and interference.
Megaguirus herself is the best new kaiju since Biollante.


You wanna know what's really worthless? Hating on this movie when every skreeonking Heisei worshipper and Kiryu lover has already done it.


Your response kinda makes me wanna do this to Godzilla vs Hedorah. It’s a shame, because I like that movie.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:59 pm

VoyagerGoji wrote:Your response kinda makes me wanna do this to Godzilla vs Hedorah. It’s a shame, because I like that movie.

If you're gonna openly troll me that hard I'm not taking the skreeonking bait. And I won't have to because a lot of other people on TK love that movie and will defend it for me. I seem to be the only one who really likes poor Megaguirus.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby VoyagerGoji » Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:03 pm

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
VoyagerGoji wrote:Your response kinda makes me wanna do this to Godzilla vs Hedorah. It’s a shame, because I like that movie.

If you're gonna openly troll me that hard I'm not taking the skreeonking bait. And I won't have to because a lot of other people on TK love that movie and will defend it for me. I seem to be the only one who really likes poor Megaguirus.


Not tryna troll you. The whole Hedorah thing was a joke. I like that movie, it’s just shy of my top ten for crying out loud.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:47 am

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:Godzilla vs. Megaguirus is the most original Godzilla film since '91.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has perhaps the best kaiju battle in the whole series.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus has by far the best of the three Oshima scores.

Godzilla vs. Megaguirus features the most ambitious special effects work since '89.
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus was the second and last Millennium film made without heavy studio control and interference.
Megaguirus herself is the best new kaiju since Biollante.


Now, this is irrelevant to my own thoughts on the movie, but a lot of these points are pretty subjective takes.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby UltramanGoji » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:13 am

Adding onto that, specifically the points you didn't highlight:

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:Godzilla vs. Megaguirus was the second and last Millennium film made without heavy studio control and interference.


That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the film itself. Hell, the film that came right after this has a lot of studio interference and yet it's critically acclaimed.

Kaiju-King42 wrote:Godzilla vs. Megaguirus features the most ambitious special effects work since '89.


It also features a poop ton of visible wires, flat sets, and terrible CGI effects. Ambition =/= quality.

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:You wanna know what's really worthless? Hating on this movie when every skreeonking Heisei worshipper and Kiryu lover has already done it.


What's equally worthless is rushing to this movie's defense every time someone says something mean about it. You're not on Toho's payroll, they're not dropping quarters into your PayPal every time you defend this movie. You don't see me rushing to vehemently defend Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah every time someone has a negative opinion about it.

I don't even think GXM is that bad of a movie, but dude: calm down.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gigantis » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:22 am

Besides the black hole gun, what was so original about GVM? We have another plot about Godzilla going up against one of his clones, a trope that has been not only done to death, but also done better with both vs. Biollante and Godzilla 2000! Only thing new is the insect motif. Enjoyable as the film may be, there's certainly nothing very new to the table if you ask me.
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Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:25 am

You guys are just proving my skreeonking point. A bunch of you jumping on here to skreeonk at me for defending Megaguirus, and then repeating the same poop the majority of the fandom has been saying for twenty skreeonking years. But clearly, I'm the only one who needs to calm down. :roll:
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Postby Terasawa » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 am

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I don't even think GXM is that bad of a movie, but dude: calm down.


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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gigantis » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:30 am

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:You guys are just proving my skreeonking point. A bunch of you jumping on here to skreeonk at me for defending Megaguirus, and then repeating the same poop the majority of the fandom has been saying for twenty skreeonking years. But clearly, I'm the only one who needs to calm down. :roll:


Um... sorry that people think alike sometimes? Also, i'm pretty sure i'm one of the only people who consider G2000 one of the series' best entries. :|
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:34 am

tyrantgoji wrote:Um... sorry that people think alike sometimes? Also, i'm pretty sure i'm one of the only people who consider G2000 one of the series' best entries. :|

I was mostly referring to UltramanGoji but the fact that three people in like fifteen minutes felt the need to post the same poop rubbed me the wrong way. And for the record, I also like Godzilla 2000 a lot. I think that film, too, is underrated but I don't see it receiving anywhere near the same vitriolic hatred as Megaguirus.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gigantis » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:38 am

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Um... sorry that people think alike sometimes? Also, i'm pretty sure i'm one of the only people who consider G2000 one of the series' best entries. :|

I was mostly referring to UltramanGoji but the fact that three people in like fifteen minutes felt the need to post the same poop rubbed me the wrong way. And for the record, I also like Godzilla 2000 a lot. I think that film, too, is underrated but I don't see it receiving anywhere near the same vitriolic hatred as Megaguirus.


I think it comes from something i like to call "Sequel Whiplash". Godzilla 2000, whether you like it or not, at least tried to introduce a new idea to the franchise and had a nice human narrative, along with a unique Godzilla design. Meanwhile, we have GXM, which pretty much almost did the same thing with the clones, now just with a 2000's anime portagonist as the hero and only had one real big thing going for it. One's at least trying to be original, the other.. really isn't.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby UltramanGoji » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:40 am

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Um... sorry that people think alike sometimes? Also, i'm pretty sure i'm one of the only people who consider G2000 one of the series' best entries. :|

I was mostly referring to UltramanGoji but the fact that three people in like fifteen minutes felt the need to post the same poop rubbed me the wrong way. And for the record, I also like Godzilla 2000 a lot. I think that film, too, is underrated but I don't see it receiving anywhere near the same vitriolic hatred as Megaguirus.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. "Vitriolic hatred?" Give me a break. A kid posted a dopey meme and you went full-ham on him defending this movie. Three people jumped in because a.) they were online at the time and saw new stuff posted. That's how forums work. And b.) you've been non-stop vocal about being a crusader for this movie for ages and people are getting sick of you rushing to its defense every goddamn time. It's not even about the movie at this point, it's about you always getting so worked up over it. It's fine to love the movie, but it's not okay to obsess over it like this.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am

UltramanGoji wrote:This is exactly what I'm talking about. "Vitriolic hatred?" Give me a break. A kid posted a dopey meme and you went full-ham on him defending this movie.

"Full-ham" my skreeonking ass. Did I call him a piece of poop? Did I tell him to get the skreeonk off these forums? Did I tell him that all of his opinions are trash? Did I try to goad him into a flame war by challenging his opinions on a bunch of unrelated poop? Nope, just challenged his mockery of this movie. VoyagerGoji clearly wasn't bothered by my response, either. You've been a lot more hostile to me over my response than I was to him.

UltramanGoji wrote:You've been non-stop vocal about being a crusader for this movie for ages and people are getting sick of you rushing to its defense every goddamn time. It's not even about the movie at this point, it's about you always getting so worked up over it. It's fine to love the movie, but it's not okay to obsess over it like this.

Yes, I have because it's the one hated Godzilla movie that I like a lot. But I'm not "obsessed" with it. It's not even in my top five Godzilla films, maybe not even my top ten. It's just the one movie I like a lot that I feel needs to be defended. If Godzilla vs. Hedorah was getting poop on regularly, I'd jump in to defend that movie all the time too. But most people these days like that film or at least respect it. Hopefully, some day Megaguirus will undergo the same positive re-evaluation.

Fine, I'll shut up about Megaguirus. I'm honestly sick of defending it myself. But I don't think it's fair to act like I'm the only one around here who rushes in to defend things that I like and challenge others' negative opinions on them. I've seen just about all of the regulars on here do that multiple times, you included. It just so happens that I've devoted a lot of time to defending one movie. I'm done now.
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Postby Terasawa » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:00 am

Whether you intended it or not, it just seemed an overly aggressive response to what was little more than a meme.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:29 am

HedorahIsBestGirl wrote:You guys are just proving my skreeonking point. A bunch of you jumping on here to skreeonk at me for defending Megaguirus, and then repeating the same poop the majority of the fandom has been saying for twenty skreeonking years. But clearly, I'm the only one who needs to calm down. :roll:


I can't speak for everyone, but I was just pointing out that several of your points were subjective ones.

Which is totally fine, and fair. Godzilla vs Destoroyah ranks among my favorites for the simple and personal reason that I like Destoroyah.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby JAGzilla » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:32 am

tyrantgoji wrote:We have another plot about Godzilla going up against one of his clones,


Megaguirus isn't a clone of Godzilla at all, though. She was (IIRC) mutated by his energy, yes, but she was going to be a big ugly dragonfly thing either way.

And to throw my unsolicited $0.02 into the conversation because I'm an obnoxious ass like that, I would say there's no problem at all with defending Godzilla vs. Megaguirus. I'm not going to call it some kind of overlooked masterpiece, because it absolutely is not, but it does have ambition and a ton of dumb fun value on its side, and I agree that those endearing qualities get unfairly overshadowed by its flaws and similarity to the Kiryu films. So it should be defended. The trick, as when defending any other unpopular movie, is to pick one's battles wisely, accept that one is not going to win them all, acknowledge that mileage will vary, and above all, don't get mad. I'm a big fan of Godzilla's Revenge, so I know what I'm talking about when I say that if I got even slightly worked up at every negative review that movie gets, I'd have died of a skreeonking heart attack years ago. :lol:

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby CrimsonBloodX » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:55 am

I really like the design of the Meganulon in this movie. It's too bad they didn't get as much screen-time as they did in Rodan. Imagine a sequence similar to the one from Godzilla vs Destoroyah where it has a bunch of soldiers fighting off the Meganulon. That would've been dope.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby Gailah 1966 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:57 pm

It`s the best movie of the Millenium series in my eyes.

GMK 2001 was technically brilliant but I don`t like the design of Ghidora and all the underwater scenes taking out the pace of the movie.
1999 G vs Orga was technically a mess and the final fight was way too short.
2002/2003 Kiryu Saga both are solid movies but 2003 is a little too emotional and 2002 is the only one who can keep the pace with 2000s Megaguirus.
2004 Final Wars... no comment...

So after watching the whole Millennium series about 10 times, G x Megaguirus is my favorite.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Megaguirus (2000)

Postby VoyagerGoji » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:08 pm

I didn't even know about that whole intense battle of Toho Kingdom vs HedorahIsBestGirl and just reading it now, I have one thing to say.

It's another case of people taking memes way too seriously.
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