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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby BountyHunter » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:47 pm

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It had a lot of potential, but a lot of it was killed by too much human drama


Yeah, the little girl with the weepy plant and the horny dad? Got a little weird.

Actually that was GAM that had Weepy Girl and Horny Dad! lol
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby bananaoil » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:17 am

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla is absolutely the best Millennium film. It has characters instead of caricatures (and they're actually engaging to boot!), the plot is concise, interesting, and plays with the Showa series in a fun way, Kiyru is a neat take on Mechaogdzilla, Michiru Ohshima's score is fantastic...this movie is what Godzilla films should be.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Tohosaurus » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:38 am

^ Plus the monsters actually fight rather than mostly beam spam or pick each other off.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Lord Gappa » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:16 am

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:I admit that there was a lot of human drama, and a lot of focus on the Kiryu project, but I think of GAM as the set-up, and Tokyo S.O.S. as the climax. TSOS was wall-to-wall action, more than making up for the pace of its predecessor.

Although the berserk Kiryu scene in GAM was pretty damn awesome in its own right.

As mentioned before, it was quite disappointing they ruined what would've been an interesting and more gripping battle IMO.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby MothraRocks » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:12 am

If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Lord Gappa » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:25 am

MothraRocks wrote:If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?

I'm positive Mothra would return seeing as it would be a 50th anniversary film. King Ghidorah could be in it, as the final monster Godzilla and Mechagodzilla teaming up to destroy it. I can see Destoroyah making an appearance as one of the villains. Varan, Anguirus, Gezora, Manda, Baragon, Titanosaurus, Kamoebas, Kumonga, maybe Gaira and Battra.
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She needs a comeback, and i think if this was made, she'd be defiantly in it. Rodan and Gigan are some more choices i'd pick, and that's about it.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Tohosaurus » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:55 am

MothraRocks wrote:If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?

Well with two Mothra larvae having survived, they'd be able to have a Mothra (idk what they'd do with the second one ... maybe one would be killed?).

With Kiryu having been sunk at the end of Tokyo SOS, I wonder how that would work out. Would they salvage it and repair it? Would they modify it heavily in part with some of the DNA stuff alluded to after the ending credits in TSOS? Maybe they could salvage Kiryu and modify his weaponry and such to make him more powerful than before. Revise the suit slightly so that he looks a little more fresh and not same old. Also, maybe with the Godzilla DNA they can modify Kiryu to be able to operate on its own, once commanded to do so of course.

They movie would probably need something more though, otherwise three Kiryu movies after one another, two with Mothra, Kiryu, and Godzilla, would potentially get too similar and repetitive. Perhaps instead of bringing Kiryu back they bring something a little closer to a real Godzilla back but completely (and conveniently) lose control of it. The combining of DNA or something has a bit of a Godzilla vs Biollante flavor, but the films would be pretty different in the end, I think.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:08 pm

Godzilla X MechaGodzilla is okay. It's not good, but it's not bad either. Akana is the only interesting character in the entire film, where everyone else is incredibly boring. The story, while different from most Godzilla stories, is not an interesting one and at times focuses too much on Akana, and not enough on Godzilla. I will say that it feels like the most realistic Godzilla film, but that can hurt the film as well, because I enjoy it when Godzilla goes into the implausible zone, which this film never pulls off well.

Overall, its not one of the best Godzilla films, but compared to most of the films in the Millennium series, its miles ahead of them.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:39 am

I'd say the most interesting characters were Akane and Sara, the little girl. Everyone else was kind of one-dimensional.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby kpa » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:45 am

MothraRocks wrote:If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?


I always find questions like this rather odd, because it's asking about a movie that was never going to be made. There were no plans for a "Kiryu trilogy"... during the production of TOKYO SOS, Masaaki Tezuka and Shogo Tomiyama both said that was the end of the story. So going over story ideas for a Part 3 that Toho never planned for is just fan fiction, and as fan fiction it can be whatever story and use whatever monsters you want.

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:(I always kind of assumed Kiryu to be the living Godzilla's former mate, actually. It's refusal to fight, it's relatively painless final plan to bind them together and return to the ocean, all suggested as much to me. Could also be a parent, but without another one around...ugh. I don't want any more hermaphroditic Godzillas.)


I don't recall if its official or not, but Tezuka said the two Godzillas were father and son. I don't think there's anything implying G54 was a hermaphrodite... no one was aware that the modern Godzilla even existed until it came ashore at the start of GxMG, which just sets up that mankind doesn't know if/how many more Godzillas may be lurking out at sea. The characters assumed there was only one and they were wrong so I wouldn't make the same mistake and assume there were only two.

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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:45 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:Watching the films, I came to the conclusion that Kiryu is Godzilla. Sure, we have the flesh-and-blood Godzilla that lumbers around, but I always found Kiryu to be more Godzilla than the lumbering beast we're given.

These two films are my favorite Godzilla films probably. I like how the universe is set up, the Godzilla mythos is spun extremely well. It feels...real.


Thats the aspect that i like about the film and Tokyo S.O.S, how it recognises other Toho films
and make it so that is a little bit like the Showa series.

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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby KaneLocke » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:57 pm

... you sure do possess an odd definition of 'perfect...'
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:08 pm

Well Maybe not that perfect but at least Really Awesome.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:45 pm

Giga Kaiju wrote:
SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:Watching the films, I came to the conclusion that Kiryu is Godzilla. Sure, we have the flesh-and-blood Godzilla that lumbers around, but I always found Kiryu to be more Godzilla than the lumbering beast we're given.

These two films are my favorite Godzilla films probably. I like how the universe is set up, the Godzilla mythos is spun extremely well. It feels...real.


Thats the aspect that i like about the film and Tokyo S.O.S, how it recognises other Toho films
and make it so that is a little bit like the Showa series.

Score,Acting,Special Efects, everything Perfect.


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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Biollante » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Maybe it's perfect from his perspective/standards.

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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:45 pm

Biollante wrote:Maybe it's perfect from his perspective/standards.


A "perfect film" implies that its a film that nobody can think of anything bad about it. There's always going to be some person out there to point out a film's flaws, which other people can then think about. Therefore, there is no such thing as a "perfect film". And if there were a perfect film, it sure wouldn't be Godzilla X MechaGodzilla.

If he thinks its a perfect film, then fine. But, he should at least know what other people say is wrong about the film. Like the many one-dimensional bland characters (except Akana), and the story forgetting about what the audience is here to see.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:03 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:Godzilla X MechaGodzilla is okay. It's not good, but it's not bad either. Akana is the only interesting character in the entire film, where everyone else is incredibly boring. The story, while different from most Godzilla stories, is not an interesting one and at times focuses too much on Akana, and not enough on Godzilla. I will say that it feels like the most realistic Godzilla film, but that can hurt the film as well, because I enjoy it when Godzilla goes into the implausible zone, which this film never pulls off well.



Because today's audience hates the implausible zone.
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby tymon » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:11 am

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:Because today's audience hates the implausible zone.


Wow, today's audiences must be gullible and stupid as all hell to think anything they're watching is "plausible".
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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:59 am

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
tymon wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:Because today's audience hates the implausible zone.


Wow, today's audiences must be gullible and stupid as all hell to think anything they're watching is "plausible".


There's a certain amount of verisimilitude that goes with today's movies that past Godzilla films don't really have.

Inception is a crazy-ass film that is the least plausible film to come out in awhile. Yet, everyone loves it. Why? Because the writing was good and it had a bit of verisimilitude. You can make a ridiculous idea plausible with good writing.

And good writing is something the Godzilla films really don't have.


Inception was really good i thought the movie was a Blast a lot different from the summerblock films like Transformers,Etc.

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Re: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:56 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
tymon wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:Because today's audience hates the implausible zone.


Wow, today's audiences must be gullible and stupid as all hell to think anything they're watching is "plausible".


There's a certain amount of verisimilitude that goes with today's movies that past Godzilla films don't really have.

Inception is a crazy-ass film that is the least plausible film to come out in awhile. Yet, everyone loves it. Why? Because the writing was good and it had a bit of verisimilitude. You can make a ridiculous idea plausible with good writing.

And good writing is something the Godzilla films really don't have.


Except Gojira,the 60's movies,the first three heisei movies + Destroyah,GMK and the Kiryu movies.
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