The case for Godzilla 98 as the start of the Millennium Series

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GojiSquid wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:43 pm
Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:53 pm I know a lot of this goes by year range...but RoG is included in the Heisei Era even though it is technically a Showa film because of the series it spawned and is connected to.
RoG is included in large part because it is canonically connected to the events of all the following Hesei films. Plot elements of it directly lead into vs. Biollanted, which then lead into vs. King Ghidorah, and so on. It simply wouldn't make sense to lump it in with the Showa Era when every aspect of it, especially continuity, ties it with the Hesei films. G98 doesn't share continuity with any of the Millenium Era (aside from one joke made at it's expense), which on top of all of the other differences, makes it unneccesary to lump it in with them.

Another good reason to keep it on it's own is the fact that the film and it's creators wanted nothing to do with the larger Godzilla mythos/canon, and even did away with most of the fundamentals of Godzilla. If it doesn't want to play with the others, then it doesn't have to sit next to them.
Continuity is enough to put G84 and Gamera 99 into the Heisei Era, but LACK of continuity...while enough to keep G98 out of the Millennium era, is not enough to EXCLUDE it from the Heisei era?

What is the justification for Godzilla 2000 starting the Millennium era? It came out in 1999 the same year as Gamera 3, which is a Heisei film.

G2K started a new continuity...except it didn't, it started a new yearly cycle of Godzilla films (Which G98 did) and a cycle of Godzilla films that were largely an anthology in terms of continuity (Which G98 also did). G2K was largely seen as an 'answer' to G98, GMK referenced it as a gag, and Final Wars included Zilla.

G98 is more responsible for the creation of the Millennium era than Godzilla 2000 is.
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Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:28 pm What is the justification for Godzilla 2000 starting the Millennium era?
The fact that it's not an era, it's a series, a collection of movies produced as part of a specific initiative by Toho's producers.
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eabaker wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:16 pm
Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:28 pm What is the justification for Godzilla 2000 starting the Millennium era?
The fact that it's not an era, it's a series, a collection of movies produced as part of a specific initiative by Toho's producers.
Series, era, whichever....it is a series of films sparked more by the existence of G98 than by anything else.
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Chrispy, stop it.

The Millennium era is named after the Japanese title of G2K - "GODZILLA 2000: MILLENNIUM". Toho officially labels all the Godzilla films between G2K and Final Wars the Millennium Series. Who are you exactly to question that?

This topic was always DOA.
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Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:01 pm
eabaker wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:16 pm
Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:28 pm What is the justification for Godzilla 2000 starting the Millennium era?
The fact that it's not an era, it's a series, a collection of movies produced as part of a specific initiative by Toho's producers.
Series, era, whichever....it is a series of films sparked more by the existence of G98 than by anything else.
"Whichever"? The two words have completely different meanings.
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eabaker wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:06 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:01 pm
eabaker wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:16 pm

The fact that it's not an era, it's a series, a collection of movies produced as part of a specific initiative by Toho's producers.
Series, era, whichever....it is a series of films sparked more by the existence of G98 than by anything else.
"Whichever"? The two words have completely different meanings.
For the purposes of this debate. Whichever. Series is right and Era is wrong. Fine. Case closed. Totally concede to use whichever term is most appropriate. Sequence, cycle, group, series, wave, era, generation, whichever word you like. On this very site it is a "Reiwa Era" but a Millennium series. Understood.

The Millennium SERIES still only happened because of G98.
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Chrispy_G wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:30 pm
eabaker wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:06 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:01 pm

Series, era, whichever....it is a series of films sparked more by the existence of G98 than by anything else.
"Whichever"? The two words have completely different meanings.
For the purposes of this debate. Whichever. Series is right and Era is wrong. Fine. Case closed. Totally concede to use whichever term is most appropriate. Sequence, cycle, group, series, wave, era, generation, whichever word you like. On this very site it is a "Reiwa Era" but a Millennium series. Understood.
I have already said that the conflation of the two terms is a problem across Western kaiju fandom, and not specific to any particular users or threads.
The Millennium SERIES still only happened because of G98.
While that may be true, at least in a butterfly-flapping-its-wings way, it doesn't make G'98 part of the discrete sequence of productions which were classified as the "Millennium Series."
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The Millennium series happened because it was clear to Toho that a sequel to G98 wasn't happening right away. They weren't going to pass up an opportunity to get another kaiju film out in 1999 after having ended the Mothra trilogy.

So while you're right, Chrispalicious, this thread is still pointless.

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Gamera 3 cane out in March of 99 and Godzilla 2000 came out in December 99. While in the same year crispy one would be considered a 2000 movie moreso than the other.

Godzilla is clearly trying to promote the year 2000 as part of the film's marketing.
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The fixation with canonizing Godzilla 1998 into other continuities -- when it's clear as day that it isn't, given all the information we have -- is intriguing
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