My version of the Kiryu Saga

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My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:07 am

Here is my version of the Kiryu Saga with additions to the lists of films and kaiju established by Toho and the director of GxMG and G: Tokyo S.O.S., Maasaki Tezuka. I've included a few other films and TV series to the original lists in the Japanese books that I read about on page 19 of the Toho Kingdom Blog in the article Godzilla Millennium Series Continuity (namely Godzilla X Mechagodzilla: Super Complete Works and Godzilla X Mothra X Mechagodzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. Fantastic Collection), so let me know what you think.

*Godzilla (1954 (Japanese first version))
*The Invisible Avenger (1954)
*Half Human (1955)
*Rodan (1956)
*Madame White Snake (1956)
*The Mysterians (1957)
*Throne of Blood (1957)
*The H-Man (1958)
*Varan (1958)
*The Three Treasures (1959)
*Battle in Outer Space (1959)
*The Secret of the Telegian (1960)
*The Human Vapor (1960)
*Mothra (1961)
*The Last War (1961)
*Gorath (1962)
*Matango (1963)
*Atragon (1963)
*Dogora (1964)
*Frankenstein vs. Baragon (1965)
*The War of the Gargantuas (1966)
*King Kong Escapes (1967)
*Imaginary Paradise (1968)
*Latitude Zero (1969)
*Konto 55: Great Outer Space Adventure (1969)
*The Vampire Doll (1970)
*Space Amoeba (1970)
*Lake of Dracula (1971)
*Submersion of Japan (1973)
*Evil of Dracula (1974)
*Prophesies of Nostradamus (1974)
*The War in Space (1977)
*House (1977)
*The Phoenix (1978)
*Pink Lady's Great Motion Picture (1978)
*Blue Christmas (1978)
*the unchronicled first appearance of Kamoebas II on Guam (1987) (see Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S.)
*Godzilla (1998 (American second version))
*Godzilla: The Series (1998-2000 (40 episodes))
*Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)
*Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. (2003)
*The Gransazers (2003-2004 (51 episodes), including The Gransazers: Super Battle Memory (2005))
*The Justirisers (2004-2005 (51 episodes), including The Justirisers: Super Battle Memory (2005))
*Super Fleet Sazer-X (2005-2006 (38 episodes), including Super Fleet Sazer-X The Movie: Fight! Soldiers (2005)).

As you can see, I've included a few human-sized and large (though not giant) monsters, aliens and mutants (or mutates; I don't know which term is the right one in this case). My major criteria is that, with a few exceptions, (as will be apparent if you've seen the films) the giant monster/man-monster/alien race/mutant (mutate?) mostly appears once and then is killed (if it's organic) or destroyed (if it's a mecha). Once it's dead or destroyed, however, it stays that way. Period. End of story. End of discussion. There are no new versions mysteriously appearing out of nowhere with no explanation as to how they're even here in the first place or where they came from (which, IMO, was one of the problems with the Showa Godzilla series (especially in the 1960s-1970s once Destroy All Monsters was released)). Godzilla II, however (who first appeared in 1999, then returned in 2003 and then both returned again and then disappeared in 2004), is the exception, rather than the rule, in this storyline.

UPDATE: Hey, you know? Suddenly I just realized that I should've put this in the Millennium Series section! Silly me! Serves me right for not noticing where I was when I was doing this. If anyone can switch it over to there, that'd be a big help!

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Thank you, thank you, thank you to whoever switched this post over here where it belongs!
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:35 am

You should include the '98 Gino film in there.
And maybe even Kong: Skull Island, with some changes here and there to better suit the preceding events of Kong Escapes.

Another thing, what are your ideas for the following monsters?:
Anguirus
King Ghidorah
Ebirah
Kumonga
Kamacuras
Gabara
Hedorah
Gigan
Megalon
Jet Jaguar
King Caesar
Titanosaurus
Biollante
Battra
Destoroyah
Dagahra
Orga
Megaguirus
MUTO
Skullcrawlers
Hitodah
Redmoon
Erabus
Hafun
Majin Tuol
Mogu
Deutalios
Bagan
Gigamoth
MechaMothra
Barubaroi
Liopleurodon
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:41 am

Well, Chouseishin Gransazer is supposed to take place after the events of Tokyo SOS I think, since Professor Chujo appears in it. Even played by the same actor.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:24 pm

The way I see it, I'm just adding a few extra films to an already-existing list. Now, as far as the other kaiju are concerned, anything between Anguirus and Megaguirus can't be put into the list because most, if not all, of their first appearances involve Godzilla, Mothra or both, and as far as I know how the Saga happened, Godzilla I was killed in 1954 and Godzilla II didn't appear until 45 years later in 1999, thus leaving all of those films out. Likewise, Mothra I, after she first appeared in 1961, didn't return until 2004, when G: Tokyo S.O.S. took place, so that excludes all of those films, including the ROM trilogy. Rodan also can't appear because he'd already been killed, along with his mate, in 1956. Also, I don't think there's any possible way the Monsterverse could be incorporated into the Kiryu Saga, so the MUTOs, Skullcrawlers, etc. are out. Finally, the rest of the kaiju were never made into actual films, so...'nuff said. Godzilla (1998), however, is another story. I think I'll include that one, along with Godzilla: The Series (1998-2000), because then that would be the official sequel to that film and not G: Final Wars. Two questions, though-does Chouseishin Gransazer have an official English name that's used in Japan and what year/years was it released in Japan?
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:15 am

mikelcho wrote:The way I see it, I'm just adding a few extra films to an already-existing list. Now, as far as the other kaiju are concerned, anything between Anguirus and Megaguirus can't be put into the list because most, if not all, of their first appearances involve Godzilla, Mothra or both, and as far as I know how the Saga happened, Godzilla 1 was killed in 1954 and Godzilla 2 didn't appear until 1999, thus leaving those films out. Likewise, Mothra, after she first appeared in 1961, didn't return until 2004, when Tokyo S.O.S. took place, so that excludes the ROM trilogy. Rodan also can't appear because he'd already been killed, along with his mate, in 1956. Also, I don't think there's any possible way the Monsterverse could be incorporated into the Kiryu Saga, so the MUTOs, Skullcrawlers, etc. are out. Finally, the rest of the kaiju were never made into actual films, so...'nuff said. Godzilla (1998), however, is another story. I think I'll include that one, along with Godzilla: The Series (1998-2000), because then that would be the sequel to that film and not Final Wars. Two questions, though-does Chouseishin Gransazer have an official English name that's used in Japan and what year/years was it released in Japan?

It doesn't have to be exactly like the films, any monster could appear anywhere and anytime. I mean, according to the established Kiryu timeline, Maguma appeared in 1962, despite the film itself Gorath being set in 1982 and the moon in that was destroyed by the titular asteroid.

Here's my idea if you're curious:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12447678/1 ... e-Timeline
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:09 am

I have to admit, I looked at your timeline, SofG, and I'm amazed. I never would have been able to think up anything like that if it took me the rest of my life. However, not only did the established Kiryu Saga timeline get Gorath's dates wrong, it also did the same thing with Frankenstein vs. Baragon. Allow me to explain. FvsB started in 1945, when the living heart of the Frankenstein Monster was shipped from somewhere in Germany to Hiroshima, Japan just before the atom bomb was dropped on the city. The rest of the story was said to take place 15 years later, which would've been 1960, not 1965. The established timeline in the movie magazine from Toho used the year of release of both Gorath and FvsB by mistake, not the year of occurrence. Everything else on the list is just fine, as far as I can see.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:05 am

mikelcho wrote:I have to admit, I looked at your timeline, SofG, and I'm amazed. I never would have been able to think up anything like that if it took me the rest of my life. However, not only did the established Kiryu Saga timeline get Gorath's dates wrong, it also did the same thing with Frankenstein vs. Baragon. Allow me to explain. FvsB started in 1945, when the living heart of the Frankenstein Monster was shipped from somewhere in Germany to Hiroshima, Japan just before the atom bomb was dropped on the city. The rest of the story was said to take place 15 years later, which would've been 1960, not 1965. The established timeline in the movie magazine from Toho used the year of release of both Gorath and FvsB by mistake, not the year of occurrence. Everything else on the list is just fine, as far as I can see.

To be fair, the Kiryu Saga is an alternative timeline from the Showa era. As I said, the timeline mostly refers to the appearances of the monsters as opposed to the events of the films themselves. It also mentions Oodako in 1965/FvB (the Giant Octopus) yet it never appearing in the actual film itself.

Cheers for the compliment anyway.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:58 pm

Okay, I've put in the Super Star God series, including two movies. Is there any other movies in this series that I've overlooked, especially for The Justirisers?

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mikelcho wrote:I have to admit, I looked at your timeline, SofG, and I'm amazed. I never would have been able to think up anything like that if it took me the rest of my life. However, not only did the established Kiryu Saga timeline get Gorath's dates wrong, it also did the same thing with Frankenstein vs. Baragon. Allow me to explain. FvsB started in 1945, when the living heart of the Frankenstein Monster was shipped from somewhere in Germany to Hiroshima, Japan just before the atom bomb was dropped on the city. The rest of the story was said to take place 15 years later, which would've been 1960, not 1965. The established timeline in the movie magazine from Toho used the year of release of both Gorath and FvsB by mistake, not the year of occurrence. Everything else on the list is just fine, as far as I can see.

To be fair, the Kiryu Saga is an alternative timeline from the Showa era. As I said, the timeline mostly refers to the appearances of the monsters as opposed to the events of the films themselves. It also mentions Oodako in 1965/FvB (the Giant Octopus) yet it never appearing in the actual film itself.

Cheers for the compliment anyway.
Thanks. I think that you could probably add the part of FvsB that takes place in Hiroshima and thus include a major part to your timeline. Other than that, it's great! I think, however, that since the Oodako was mentioned as being in FvsB, they meant to say that the restored version (with this scene put back in the film in Japan) was the one that was part of the Saga.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:16 pm

mikelcho wrote:Thanks. I think that you could probably add the part of FvsB that takes place in Hiroshima and thus include a major part to your timeline. Other than that, it's great! I think, however, that since the Oodako was mentioned as being in FvsB, they meant to say that the restored version (with this scene put back in the film in Japan) was the one that was part of the Saga.

Okay. If case you're curious, I created/extended that timeline to use as a basis for some Godzilla fanfics I've planned in mind if you're interested to know about.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:08 am

I'd love to read your fanfiction; your timetable is tempting enough! The last really good fanfiction I've read was the six-part saga The War Against the Wild Gods by George Thomas, Neal Reabe's four stories and the series Excerpts from "You'll Never Eat this Town for Lunch Again!" The Gamera Autobiography. (I wish I knew who the author of the last one was; I'd like to tell him he's got all the parts of the series on fanfiction.net except for the last one.) These stories, of course, were all from G-Fan back in the days before Toho made J.D. stop printing stories that mentioned their monsters' names. (Kadakowa and all the others seem to have no problem with that, though.) I-i-i-i- miss those days! (By the way, how many Godzilla stories did Neal actually write? I only know of four: three from G-Fan magazine and one that's still on G-Fan's website.)
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:34 am

mikelcho wrote:I'd love to read your fanfiction; your timetable is tempting enough! The last really good fanfiction I've read was the six-part saga The War Against the Wild Gods by George Thomas, Neal Reabe's four stories and the series Excerpts from "You'll Never Eat this Town for Lunch Again!" The Gamera Autobiography. (I wish I knew who the author of the last one was; I'd like to tell him he's got all the parts of the series on fanfiction.net except for the last one.) These stories, of course, were all from G-Fan back in the days before Toho made J.D. stop printing stories that mentioned their monsters' names. (Kadakowa and all the others seem to have no problem with that, though.) I-i-i-i- miss those days! (By the way, how many Godzilla stories did Neal actually write? I only know of four: three from G-Fan magazine and one that's still on G-Fan's website.)

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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:07 pm

Here would be good enough for me.

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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:03 pm

mikelcho wrote:Here would be good enough for me.

Alright, so here goes:
Battra vs. Bagan
Set in the 90s. An ancient demon known as Bagan awakens after being dormant for thousands of years, and humanity must find a way to stop this creature before it could potentially dominate Earth. Meanwhile, another ancient creature named Battra, who first appeared in 1959/1960, re-emerges as well. Apparently it's to stop Bagan but no-one's quite sure whether he's friend or foe. Think of this as a remake of Mothra vs. Bagan, but with Battra in Mothra's role.

Godzilla Against Biollante
Set a few years after Tokyo SOS, some scientists experiment with Godzilla's DNA to create a new bio-engineered monster after the fate of Kiryu. But they've created instead soon turns against them, breaks out and reeks havoc across Japan. Meanwhile, an large egg is discovered which reveals to be a baby Godzilla. Soon enough, Godzilla himself breaks free from the remains of Kiryu but is he still a foe or will he save Japan from a greater threat?

Godzilla Against King Kong
Set after Godzilla Against Biollante. The title says it all, Godzilla fights a slightly grown Kong from King Kong Escapes.

Godzilla vs. Mechamothra (AKA Godzilla X Battra X Mechamothra: All-Out Attack)
In order to stop Godzilla once again, the JXSDF build a mechanical clone of the killed Mothra (Mechamothra; codenamed 'Kicho' which translates to 'Machine butterfly'). However, just like with Kiryu, since this mecha contains Mothra cells, it soon malfunctions and turns on humanity. So it's up to Godzilla, Battra and the two Mothra larvae to form an unexpected alliance in order to stop this runamuck machine.

Godzilla Against King Ghidorah
Sort of a semi-remake of GTTHM, IotAM, DAM and GvKG all in one; but set in the Kiryu timeline, and with various alterations to better accommodate this:
The Godzillasaurus would be discovered in the late 60s.
Godzilla wouldn't turn on Japan this time.
Ghidorah would start out as an egg instead of dorats.
Mechaghidorah would be created with the bones of Ghidorah. Which results in a climactic battle reminiscent of Destroy All Monsters.
I'm also thinking about having the JXSDF, having learnt from their past mistakes, instead build an original mecha dubbed 'Moguera'.

Godzilla Against Destoroyah
Think of this as a semi-remake Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, but set in the Kiryu universe.


So those are my ideas so far. What do you think?
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:23 pm

I like them! Go for it! By the way, did you mean to say "semi-remake of" in the last synopsis?
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Postby SonOfGorgo » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:33 pm

mikelcho wrote:I like them! Go for it! By the way, did you mean to say "semi-remake" in the last synopsis?

Cheers m8. Oh and your answer your question, yeah.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:15 am

I just thought of something after all this time, SofG. Have you actually written and finished these stories, and if so, are they actually available on something like, say, fanfiction.net? If so, please let me know, as I'd really like to read them, as I've said before.

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Postby SonOfGorgo » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:54 am

mikelcho wrote:I just thought of something after all this time, SofG. Have you actually written and finished these stories, and if so, are they actually available on something like, say, fanfiction.net? If so, please let me know, as I'd really like to read them, as I've said before.

I haven't yet, but I intend to on that very site you mentioned. I might've brought this up before, but I also posted a timeline on there:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12447678/1 ... e-Timeline
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:17 pm

SonOfGorgo wrote:
mikelcho wrote:I just thought of something after all this time, SofG. Have you actually written and finished these stories, and if so, are they actually available on something like, say, fanfiction.net? If so, please let me know, as I'd really like to read them, as I've said before.

I haven't yet, but I intend to on that very site you mentioned. I might've brought this up before, but I also posted a timeline on there:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12447678/1 ... e-Timeline
S of G, do you have a different name on fanfiction.net so that when I go looking for these tales, I'll know where to go and what to look for?

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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby SonOfGorgo » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:10 am

mikelcho wrote:S of G, do you have a different name on fanfiction.net so that when I go looking for these tales, I'll know where to go and what to look for?

What do you mean? That's my one and only profile. Anything I post will definitely be on there.
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Re: My version of the Kiryu Saga

Postby mikelcho » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:10 pm

I was just thinking that some names on fanfiction.net are not the same on other forums, like this one.


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