The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

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What is your opinion of the Godzilla: Final Wars movie.

Great Movie! Love it, Very Entertaining
32
26%
Like it. Decent Movie, has its flaws but still watchable
57
46%
Neither Good nor Bad
7
6%
Dislike it. Bad movie
21
17%
Terrible movie, Hate it, unwatchable
8
6%
 
Total votes: 125

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby szmigiel » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:42 am

You know for a movie that at one time was suppose to be universally hated by the fanbase, it doesn't seem to be that way anymore.

I doubt the fanbase would ever agree on what is a good Showa tribute and what isn't. There will always be a group of fans that will disagree.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:38 am

szmigiel wrote:You know for a movie that at one time was suppose to be universally hated by the fanbase, it doesn't seem to be that way anymore.

I doubt the fanbase would ever agree on what is a good Showa tribute and what isn't. There will always be a group of fans that will disagree.

Throwing in a bunch of Showa era nods does not equal a Showa Tribute in my books. The movie was essentially kung-fu fighting with some heavy showa winks here and there. If they were handled better, I wouldn't say anything
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:36 am

As a fun popcorn flick I suppose its okay but it still honestly shouldn't of been made especially since its very insulting towards Hedorah, having arguably Godzilla's most powerful foe in the Showa series alongside Mechagodzilla get one-shotted. That's probably the only thing that craws at my core, that and the short fights rather than having Godzilla keep bulldozing through every monster he comes across because "He's the King!" as well as Godzilla's hideous rat face.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby eabaker » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:14 am

Lain Of The Wired wrote:Throwing in a bunch of Showa era nods does not equal a Showa Tribute in my books.


If anything, it feels to me like Kitamura is making fun of the Showa era.
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby latinothor » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:20 am

I believe that some of the fan base of our beloved Godzilla might have a point that the battles (except the final one) were too short. However, some might not realize the monsters are only cameos in the movie, they don't play an integral part in the film. It is assumed the battles are long (except for the Zilla battle). How long are the battles taking place in the movie are supposed to be? That's left to our imagination. These cameos are only in favor of the fan base, nothing more. Would the film be better without the monsters cameos? No, I don't think so.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:55 am

eabaker wrote:
Lain Of The Wired wrote:Throwing in a bunch of Showa era nods does not equal a Showa Tribute in my books.


If anything, it feels to me like Kitamura is making fun of the Showa era.

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It doesn't feel Showa at all to me in any way, even when the nods pop up, like Gorath, and the like, it just feels like I'm watching a bad fan fic boil down before my eye

I'll probably get some flak for saying this, but I thought Godzilla 2000 was a better Showa tribute than Final Wars was.
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Gerdzerl » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:59 am

Lain Of The Wired wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Lain Of The Wired wrote:Throwing in a bunch of Showa era nods does not equal a Showa Tribute in my books.


If anything, it feels to me like Kitamura is making fun of the Showa era.

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It doesn't feel Showa at all to me in any way, even when the nods pop up, like Gorath, and the like, it just feels like I'm watching a bad fan fic boil down before my eye

I'll probably get some flak for saying this, but I thought Godzilla 2000 was a better Showa tribute than Final Wars was.


You probably won't since G:FW still has a fair amount of detractors on here, and I'll agree that G2K captured the Showa-era spirit better.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:05 pm

G2K is really the only Millennium film I can stomach because of it. I think GFW was doomed when the director was chosen
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby latinothor » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:29 pm

Lain Of The Wired wrote: I think GFW was doomed when the director was chosen


Kitamura was at the top of his game as director in the Japanese scene. In my humble opinion, his genius shows in the film, Toho went above and beyond into getting the best of the best for this film.Personally, I am more than extremely satisfied with the final product. We respectfully agree to disagree.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby szmigiel » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:44 pm

Many of the films distractors tend to blame the director for every aspect they don't like. But the films screen play was pretty much complete when he was signed on to direct.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby eabaker » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:15 pm

szmigiel wrote:Many of the films distractors tend to blame the director for every aspect they don't like. But the films screen play was pretty much complete when he was signed on to direct.


While I have problems with the script, it's the tone generated by the performances, the camera technique and the rhythm of the editing that I find most off-putting; the same seems to be true for a lot of people. And those elements are very consistent with other Kitamura works. That said, Kitamura's style was established well before GFW, so Toho got exactly what they were paying for.
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:10 pm

It's an alright movie, but not one I'd watch on a regular basis.
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby KaijuCanuck » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:47 pm

Eh, I mean in the end this film is not meant to be taken too seriously. I can understand that for those who didn't like it, it would be frustrating to see as the 50th anniversary film. But if it was just part of a regular cycle of films, it wouldn't be a big deal (but probably still stand out for its sheer craziness).
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby szmigiel » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:44 pm

eabaker wrote:While I have problems with the script, it's the tone generated by the performances, the camera technique and the rhythm of the editing that I find most off-putting; the same seems to be true for a lot of people. And those elements are very consistent with other Kitamura works. That said, Kitamura's style was established well before GFW, so Toho got exactly what they were paying for.


Kitamura’s fingerprints are definitely all over the movie, and that is one of the reasons I enjoy it. If it was directed by someone else the basic story would still be the same. Captain Gordon would probably have been played by a veteran Japanese actor, but remain mostly the same. Godzilla would have been under ice for the first half of the film, he would still have run the gauntlet of monsters on the way to Tokyo. Would the fights been longer? Maybe a little, but probably not by much. Not sure when Yoji Shinkawa was hired to do the art, whether it was Kitamura or not. if it was the producer then the look of the film would still pretty much be the same.

KaijuCanuck wrote:Eh, I mean in the end this film is not meant to be taken too seriously. I can understand that for those who didn't like it, it would be frustrating to see as the 50th anniversary film. But if it was just part of a regular cycle of films, it wouldn't be a big deal (but probably still stand out for its sheer craziness).


The film was written to be more of a 50th anniversary of Toho Sci-fi, and mostly the golden age of the 60's, but advertised as a 50th anniversary of Godzilla. That blame goes to Shogo Tomiyama and Wataru Mimura. At first it did bother me, but since I am a fan of many of Toho's other films I soon started to enjoy it more.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby KaijuCanuck » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:51 pm

One thing that bothers me about GFW - did those chill guys at the Antarctica base have to die? I wanted to hang out with those guys.
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:45 pm

KaijuCanuck wrote:One thing that bothers me about GFW - did those chill guys at the Antarctica base have to die? I wanted to hang out with those guys.

You mean The Rock and Shaq, hell no theyre better off dead
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby latinothor » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:11 pm

KaijuCanuck wrote:One thing that bothers me about GFW - did those chill guys at the Antarctica base have to die? I wanted to hang out with those guys.


Those two are legendary kickboxing legends Ray sefo and Gylbert Yvel.

And yes, it seemed like they had a great job guarding the King, listening to some good old school Jazz (Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla), a real espresso machine and temperature warm enough to be walking around in base in shorts. I wish they didn't die either, but this is one pissed off Godzilla in the film.

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Kitamura’s fingerprints are definitely all over the movie, and that is one of the reasons I enjoy it. If it was directed by someone else the basic story would still be the same. Captain Gordon would probably have been played by a veteran Japanese actor, but remain mostly the same. Godzilla would have been under ice for the first half of the film, he would still have run the gauntlet of monsters on the way to Tokyo. Would the fights been longer? Maybe a little, but probably not by much. Not sure when Yoji Shinkawa was hired to do the art, whether it was Kitamura or not. if it was the producer then the look of the film would still pretty much be the same.

The film was written to be more of a 50th anniversary of Toho Sci-fi, and mostly the golden age of the 60's, but advertised as a 50th anniversary of Godzilla. That blame goes to Shogo Tomiyama and Wataru Mimura. At first it did bother me, but since I am a fan of many of Toho's other films I soon started to enjoy it more.


That is correct, Godzilla: Final Wars is a celebration of everything Toho (The good, the ugly and the bad) but with a modern touch.

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:27 pm

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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby GodzillaBurgh » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:24 am

To me, this movie represents everything we love about Godzilla. The cheesiness of the 70's, the ferocity of the Showa & Heisei eras, a grand scale similar to DESTROY ALL MONSTERS, and fun characters, especially Captain Gordon, my favorite character. This movie is LIT!!! :D
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Re: The Godzilla: Final Wars Poll

Postby Gojira1963 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:47 pm

I didn't care for this movie at first. But as I watched it over again and saw that it was an homage to the Showa area that I began to enjoy it more. It has really grown in me to where I do love it.
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