Monster Discussion: Godzilla (2002-2003/Kiryu Saga)

[Hotrod93]

the big point that all of you are missing is that big G wasn't the only main character. kiryu was the co-protagonist. thats why after two movies of hardcore fighting we still didn't get a clearcut winner.

What does that have to do with anything that we are talking about, the topic is about how weak this version of Godzilla was compared to the others. Not about who is the main Characters are.

[Zilla103192]

the big point that all of you are missing is that big G wasn't the only main character. kiryu was the co-protagonist. thats why after two movies of hardcore fighting we still didn't get a clearcut winner.

[Ligerzilla2014]

what im getting at is that main characters always have a bit of immortality. i meant that they never lose even if they are supposed. its like how the main characters in star wars never get hit with lasers. having the main character hurt isn't useful unless it does something for the plot. while i do agree that this godzilla is pretty pathetic, but part of the reason for this is that kiryu's talents were exagerated.

sorry for getting so off topic

[Ligerzilla2014]

This suit is great. It had the stage presence of the Heisi goji and that "I'm gonna rip you to shreds" look of the G2K goji

[Godzilla1984]

I believe the Kiryu saga Godzilla regen was obviously weaker ( more realistic ) as stated earlier in the forum..but I also believe this Godzilla was still just as powerful to a certain degree.. Kiryu and Godzilla were very evenly matched which is what I really liked...except in SOS were Kiryu got dominated every time he got fixed..but I agree that these films were very realistic in nature as far as damage, and just the nature of the fight, plus how a Mech actually had a battery, and even the fact that they had to vote on even creating him lol..but none the lessto finally answer the question Godzilla was " somewhat " weaker but at the same time just as powerful if you get where im coming from

[Kubo]

^ Ay I agree with him on that one.

Kiryu is weaker, mainly due to the realistic factor that was put into play. Is it bad? Yeah...I like a strong MechaG.

[Reigning King Goji]

Kiryu is weaker but he's my favorite out of all the other mecha g's

[Darkness]

On a couple of occassions in this thread, it's been mentioned that Godzilla should be weaker than the monster he is fighting to raise the stakes. While I do agree that formula works, it only works when Godzilla is the protagonist. In the Kiryu movies, Godzilla was the antagonist. Having a weaker antagonist is just stupid. While I don't judge monsters by their power, I just hate this take on Godzilla. The design is good, but he's not that bright and hardly fights. I lost count of all the times in the Kiryu films that Godzilla just LET Kiryu beat up on him without so much as a counter attack.

[JVM]

^ That's a good point. The antagonist should seem stronger than the protagonist to raise the stakes.

To put a simple comparison everyone, imagine if Darth Vader was just another Stormtrooper. Yeah. Lightsaber kills him in five seconds.

[GojiFan]

The thing that bothered me was that Godzilla basically had his beam and that is all. While Kiryu is a beast in melee (as long as he doesn't get knocked over), this incarnation of Godzilla for the most part lacked any sort of melee skills. G2K and GvM (the earliest millennium Godzillas) just seemed so much more capable in a close up situation. They did tail sweeps, tail slams, bites, shoving, clawing, biting, etc. This one kinda just sat there.

[TokyoVigilante]

I don't think they purposely set out to make one version of Godzilla stronger or weaker than the other. They just do whatever's best for the story and fans see what they see.

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THIS.

Who the fuck cares what monster is stronger then the other monster OUTSIDE the context of a Fantasy Match-up? Monster strength is determined by story and should always be.

It boggles my mind that there is a niche element of the fandom that prefers the Heisei over Showa films because the monsters are stronger.

[Showa Gyaos]

I don't think they purposely set out to make one version of Godzilla stronger or weaker than the other. They just do whatever's best for the story and fans see what they see.

But they didn't give Godzilla a fighting chance. Isn't the antagonist supposed to be a powerful foe to the protagonist?

[Showa Gyaos]

But they didn't give Godzilla a fighting chance. Isn't the antagonist supposed to be a powerful foe to the protagonist?

Godzilla was immune to masers, knocked Kiryu out in both movies and killed the adult Mothra. That seems tough to me.

Not when compared to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0Sfz47TaE

[Showa Gyaos]

Not when compared to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0Sfz47TaE

What the hell does that have to do with anything.

Amon was a hardy foe for Devilman. Kiryu Saga Godzilla was less than that.

[Showa Gyaos]

Amon was a hardy foe for Devilman. Kiryu Saga Godzilla was less than that.

What does any of this have to do with that?!

GODZILLA WASN'T POWERFUL. That's what I'm getting at!

[Brian4205]

It's not so much that he was weak, but more that he wasn't smart. Plus, I feel that when Godzilla is the antagonist, he should be the most powerful force ever seen. GMK is a good example of this, Godzilla was unstoppable i that film, but tell me, what did he do in that film that suggest he is stronger then this one? If you look at it, he defeats the army just as well as this Godzilla, he beats Mothra just as well, but the director made him seem Unstoppable. This Godzilla never gives off that feel, mostly because of his facial expressions in my opinion, and because he never beats up on lesser monsters on screen, he only fought Monsters on the same level as him. All in all, I don't think he's weaker, just fighting tougher opponents. As for the scar a year latter, he had a large portion of his chest frozen to absolute zero, I would not be surprised if it took his body a couple of months to even begin repairs because of the effects of the cannon on the tissue.

[Irys X]

Well, i think hes quite powerful. I guess i wont go into it too much because i might be a little biased (hes one of my favorite Godzillas), but suffice to say i think hes got some power.

[Brian4205]

No I feel he's powerful aswell, like all post showa incarnations, go ahead, express yourself.

[heiseisaegusa]

I felt that Godzilla was far more powerful than kiyru but less intelligent, it seemed to take just a few hits from godzilla to put kiyru out of action, Godzilla acted like an animal not going out of his way to finish off enemies.There are loads of times godzilla was about to finish any enemy and he gets distracted for instance in GvsMG2 Godzilla picked MG up and threw him only to be distracted by garuda which saved MG's ass a similar thing happened in this movie just prior to the absolute zero cannon firing Godzilla was about to destroy kiryu when he is shot at by one of the jets that accompany kiryu, saving it.

[KiryuDragon]

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla: Kiryu's final attempt at using the Absolute Zero Gun partially succeeds, leaving Godzilla with a large bloody wound on his chest that you would think would leave quite a scar on the humiliated Monster King.

Godzilla: Tokyo SOS: Godzilla surfaces in the still under-repaired city of Shinagawa and you get several good looks at his chest. NO ABSOLUTE ZERO SCAR. How in the heck could a wound like that heal that quickly in obviously less than a year?