Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Godzilla2004fan » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:38 pm

I like this Kaiju, because he looks very boney when he's Monster X, and it looks really Ghidorah when he's Keizer Ghidorah.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Gojira18 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:21 pm

I love this guy. Love how he stands absolutely equal to FW Godzilla, maybe even surpassing him a bit in his first form alone, and I love his Keizer Ghidorah design. And the sounds.

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:19 pm

Gojira18 wrote: And the sounds.

Yeah, I loved how demonic he sounds. A lot scarier than Death Ghidorah's roars imo.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Rhedosaurus » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:57 pm

I don't mind Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah. But I do wish that they had been 2 different monsters instead of Monster X just being another form of Ghidorah. That and while I don't mind a quadrupedal form of Ghidorah, I do wish that it had been done better.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Grievous » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:57 am

I thought Monster X looked pretty sweet...and then he changed into Keizer Ghidorah
& to this day I just can't like the design...especially since the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy
featured a couple of amazing Ghidorah designs.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:03 pm

I love Monster X, but despise Keizer Ghidorah. Monster X has a really original design, and the brief scenes of it fighting Godzilla were really cool. I like how it was both agile but also really bulky and had a good combo of energy and melee attacks. KG just looks so rubbery.


Also random thought, but did anyone else ever think the partial transformation looks cooler then KezierGhidorah? What I mean is when Monster X gets on all fours, gets bulkier and grows wings. Would’ve been better to keep it like that IMO.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby PineappleProducer » Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:06 pm

^ Yeah, I do. Like you, I am also a fan of Monster X himself, but not Keizer Ghidorah. I dunno, Keizer Ghidorah just looks too big and dumb to me. I would have preferred King Ghidorah to be the final opponent in Final Wars, myself.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Grievous » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:25 am

PineappleProducer wrote:^ Yeah, I do. Like you, I am also a fan of Monster X himself, but not Keizer Ghidorah. I dunno, Keizer Ghidorah just looks too big and dumb to me. I would have preferred King Ghidorah to be the final opponent in Final Wars, myself.

Its almost like they had the perfect opportunity for that...

Like when Monster X begins to transform his "outer shell" could have cracked
& split revealing some kind of light trying to escape before he explodes in a
blinding shimmer of golden light revealing the "Classic" King Ghidorah.

I personally think that would have worked better overall...but that's just my
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Godzillian » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:31 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:I love Monster X, but despise Keizer Ghidorah. Monster X has a really original design, and the brief scenes of it fighting Godzilla were really cool. I like how it was both agile but also really bulky and had a good combo of energy and melee attacks. KG just looks so rubbery.


Also random thought, but did anyone else ever think the partial transformation looks cooler then KezierGhidorah? What I mean is when Monster X gets on all fours, gets bulkier and grows wings. Would’ve been better to keep it like that IMO.

Agree completely man. Monster X is a great kaiju. Threatening, unique design, and strong enough to go head to head with Godzilla. It's one of the few things I think GFW did right when they build up it up as a threat. Once he turns into Keizer, he becomes rather boring which is a shame. IDK about him getting on all fours for the rest of the movie but I love the idea of it gaining wings and glowing gold as a "powered up" form for the final battle
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby GodzillaBurgh » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:21 am

Am I the only one who thought Keizer Ghidorah's wings were a BIT smaller than his whole body?
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Rhedosaurus » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:28 am

Just curious, when Keizer Ghidorah fought Godzilla in his final form, was he really that powerful or was Godzilla just tired after all the swimming and fighting he did before?

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Terasawa » Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:49 am

It's more credible for Godzilla to be exhausted but it's ridiculous to assume credibility of any kind was on the filmmakers' minds. Keizer Ghidorah is the ultimate foe: he's intended to be that powerful.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby The Baranosdragon » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:28 am

For some strange reason, I have a soft spot for this monster, though Keizer Ghidorah specifically. While Monster X is a bit... bland for my tastes, I do find Keizer Ghidorah's design far more interesting, largely due to its four legs, differing heads, and torso wings. That is also where his issues come from, though; the wings are... very strange looking, and outright impractical. I understand that it is a suit, thus, more difficult to operate the more bells and whistles you add to it, but I think it would have benefited from them being a touch larger 9especially in the comics).

There isn't much to Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah, but I like its design just fine, though the latter especially.
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby GojiDog » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Here's a dumb question.

What caused Monster X to turn into Keizer Ghidorah?

Normally when a monster evolves, it comes as like the next stage in their evolution (Mothra, Biollante, Hedorah, Battra, Destroyah, Shin Godzilla, etc.) or because something happens to them that causes the mutation (Super Godzilla getting the in game power ups, Godzilla getting the Spiral Ray from Rodan, Rainbow Mothra being in hybernation in a special cocoon makes her Armor Mothra, etc.). But natural evolutions usually take time, and that's something Monster X didn't have as he just showed up at the end of the film.

Monster X just seems to randomly change into Keizer Ghidorah, as if he could have done that the whole time. If he could do it the whole time, why didn't he? And if he couldn't what was it that activated the sudden change?

Here was my head canon explanation: Monster X doesn't become Keizer Ghidorah until after the Xilean mothership is destroyed.

What if Keizer Ghidorah was SOOOOOOO powerful, that the only way the Xileans could control him is if he was "imprisoned" in a weaker state. The Monster X form is a shell around the more powerful Keizer Ghidorah body that restricts his powers just enough to where they can control him. Once the Xilean mothership is destroyed, so are the safeguards keeping Keizer Ghidorah in his body shell of a prison. So once they were destroyed, Keizer Ghidorah could finally break free and unleash his true power.

I think I put way more thought into that than was needed, especially if there was an in film explanation that I don't remember. :D
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby UltimateDitto » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:16 pm

Maybe Monster X is similar to Frieza, where the final form is the original, (in this case Keizer Ghidorah), and Keizer can create a weaker form or shell to conceal his power.

Maybe it takes forever to regress back into Monster X, besides, X might of thought that he could easily dispatch Godzilla, which didn't happen. Plus that's just how writing goes when you have a big bad with a transformation. ;)
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby GojiDog » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:17 am

^^^

The Frieza explanation also works. :D

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Rhedosaurus » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:09 am

Terasawa wrote:It's more credible for Godzilla to be exhausted but it's ridiculous to assume credibility of any kind was on the filmmakers' minds. Keizer Ghidorah is the ultimate foe: he's intended to be that powerful.


It's just hard for me to believe that all things considered. Even more so considering how we don't fully know how strong he is/how poorly he's handled character wise.

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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:02 pm

I always assumed that GojiDogs idea was just how it was. The transformation briefly occurs after the mother ship is blown up. Monster X is like an exterior shell of sorts keeping all the power in, it’s why with the form gone it sortve explodes.

We also know that the Xilliens were experimenting with bio technology. It’s a small detail, but it was stated most of the worlds monsters were covertly injected with xillien DNA to control them. It could be assumed the same was done with Keizer Ghidorah.

Also note:
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It’s not “X-Ghidorah”
Or “Keizer X”
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Re: Monster Discussion: Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah

Postby Terasawa » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:31 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Terasawa wrote:It's more credible for Godzilla to be exhausted but it's ridiculous to assume credibility of any kind was on the filmmakers' minds. Keizer Ghidorah is the ultimate foe: he's intended to be that powerful.


It's just hard for me to believe that all things considered. Even more so considering how we don't fully know how strong he is/how poorly he's handled character wise.


Well, the lead Xilien explains that "Keizer" is some type of ultra-evolved version of a species. Pair that with the fact that Keizer Ghidorah is the final opponent in the film (and at this point Godzilla's final opponent ever) and it seems pretty clear that he's supposed to be at least the strongest monster in the film. Godzilla is only able to win when he receives a power up from Keizer mutant (whatever his name is) and is able to blast KG into outer skreeonking space with a supercharged heat ray.

I agree that it's not convincing as the ultimate Godzilla opponent but that's in part because Shinichi Wakasa and company made a really lousy monster costume. I'd say that it's clear that Godzilla and Monster X are supposed to be evenly matched but Keizer Ghidorah is that much stronger than Godzilla. That doesn't make much sense either but that's how they portray it for us.

It's just a shitty movie anyway.
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