Mothra 2005

[Godzillafan11]

Does She get Destroyed or Killed in Final Wars? if you watch the credits ; she flies back to her Island or is this from a different film?

[Mechagigan]

She, surprisingly, survives FW, as proven by her flying home at the end.

[PRIMEVAL]

She, surprisingly, survives FW, as proven by her flying home at the end.

She gets killed. The end credits are supposedly not canon to the movie.

[Ivo-goji]

^Source? That seems entirely counter intuitive.

[PRIMEVAL]

^Source? That seems entirely counter intuitive.

I remember seeing a big debate on here awhile back about it and it somehow came up that the end credits being non-canon was the case. If I can find it again, I'll share.

[g2vd]

^Source? That seems entirely counter intuitive.

I remember seeing a big debate on here awhile back about it and it somehow came up that the end credits being non-canon was the case. If I can find it again, I'll share.

Oh yeah I remember that thread.

Here it is.
http://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewto ... f=8&t=8705

[GigaBowserG]

The only instance I can find of Mothra living is on her Japanese wiki page: (here)

It mentions that she returns to her island, and the cuts on her wings healed. Too bad there aren't any sources for the info, though the mention of the attack being called "ファイヤーヒート・アタック" (Fire Heat Attack) is correct, as it's called in the GFW Super Complete Works book, the aforementioned book only saying the attack is a "desperate skill", like a move of last resort.

All other places just mention the name of the move, or that Gigan exploded.

[Pkmatrix]

She, surprisingly, survives FW, as proven by her flying home at the end.

She gets killed. The end credits are supposedly not canon to the movie.

That's ridiculous, I don't believe that for a second - that just sounds like some bullcrap somebody who didn't like it cooked up to explain it away. It's IN the movie showing her flying back, with no further context to suggest anything OTHER than what it seems. You can't say, "Oh no, she's totally dead, that scene doesn't really happen" when there's nothing in the movie to back up that assertion.

[BlankAccount]

You mean Mothra 2004?

[BlacktimusPrime]

She, surprisingly, survives FW, as proven by her flying home at the end.

She gets killed. The end credits are supposedly not canon to the movie.

That's ridiculous, I don't believe that for a second - that just sounds like some bullcrap somebody who didn't like it cooked up to explain it away. It's IN the movie showing her flying back, with no further context to suggest anything OTHER than what it seems. You can't say, "Oh no, she's totally dead, that scene doesn't really happen" when there's nothing in the movie to back up that assertion.

Agreed. The film showed she was alive; unless Kitamura says the scene meant something else, then that's that.

[PRIMEVAL]

So I guess all other Godzilla films are canon to this movie then because of the opening credits.

[Pkmatrix]

So I guess all other Godzilla films are canon to this movie then because of the opening credits.

Oh, come on! Don't be like that.

There's an obvious difference between what they're doing in the opening credits and the inter-credit scene with Mothra at the end. I mean, I hate when they do these mid-credit reveals too (this should have been IN the movie proper, not in the middle of the end credits as a throwaway shot half the audience may never have watched), but there's really no argument at all to support you here.

[PRIMEVAL]

So I guess all other Godzilla films are canon to this movie then because of the opening credits.

Oh, come on! Don't be like that.

There's an obvious difference between what they're doing in the opening credits and the inter-credit scene with Mothra at the end. I mean, I hate when they do these mid-credit reveals too (this should have been IN the movie proper, not in the middle of the end credits as a throwaway shot half the audience may never have watched), but there's really no argument at all to support you here.

So, the people and monsters that were killed in the movie are still alive then? The end credits shows a bunch of footage of characters that were killed off alive again and unused footage. This is why I don't think it's canon to the film. Mothra blew up real nice, I don't think she regenerated to her full self after that.

[Gallavant123]

The only instance I can find of Mothra living is on her Japanese wiki page: (here)

It mentions that she returns to her island, and the cuts on her wings healed. Too bad there aren't any sources for the info, though the mention of the attack being called "ファイヤーヒート・アタック" (Fire Heat Attack) is correct, as it's called in the GFW Super Complete Works book, the aforementioned book only saying the attack is a "desperate skill", like a move of last resort.

All other places just mention the name of the move, or that Gigan exploded.

If Toho said she was still alive then she was. Guess the source will have to be found then.

Does that book cover other interesting stats btw? Like regular atomic breath vs the meteor ray or the gravity beams and stuff like that? I know from you the heisei one got into detail about beam temperatures and whatnot

^Source? That seems entirely counter intuitive.

Maybe they used up their budget/time and couldn't finish a coherent sequence showing that Mothra was alive so they just dumped it in the credits.

[Zarm]

Presumably she arose to have a giant knock-down, drag-out fight against Hedorah, Earth reviving its champion to deal with the ultimate threat to its ecosystem... all of which ended up on the cutting room floor.

[LamangoKaijura]

The Mothra and Hedorah scenes in the credits were cut for time reasons.

[Zarm]

Indeed. I just wish they would release them.

[omgitsgodzilla]

I think the non-canon explanation makes more sense. I mean, the scene where she kills Gigan looks very much like a suicide attack, and no indication that she survived is given at any point during the movie proper.

Plus, there are a few shots in the end credits that don't really make sense in canon. Captain Gordon sitting between the girls, looking directly into the camera, in an obviously posed shot that doesn't really fit into the story anywhere, for instance. Or Ozaki meditating in the middle of those laser beams. I tend to regard the end credits as sort of an aesthetic/mood/concept piece, with some scenes not meant to be part of the film, like how trailers sometimes include shots that were never intended for the actual film and don't reflect the actual canonical events. The same is true of the opening credits, in my opinion.

Basically, I think the end credits montage not being canon makes the most sense given what was in the movie itself and the nature of some of the material used in it besides Mothra flying home; plus there's a precedent of non-canon montages in the opening credits and it doesn't really seem inconsistent with the rest of the film to use non-canon scenes and B-roll in a feel-good thematic montage during the credits.

[LamangoKaijura]

But you see Mothra literally go through Gigan. Who's to say she didn't survive her 'suicide' attempt? She didn't hit him and just explode for no reason.

[Mechagigan]

The thing is, though, the whole credits sequence is basically a highlights reel; there's a few scenes here or there that may look unnatural, but they're clearly taken out of context. Just because a couple clips weren't in the final film doesn't make every single one irrelevant.

The scenes of Hedorah or Mothra basically have no reason not to be canon, when just about every single other scene in the sequence is.