Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:42 am

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PitchBlackProgress wrote:They really try too hard to push the “coolness” factor in this movie and it just does not work…


I'm just curious, are you going into every Final Wars thread to trash it? Nothing wrong with that, I'm honestly just curious.

Why do I get the feeling someone could have strolled in here singing endless praise in every FW related thread here and you would have never opened your mouth?

Besides, what I said could hardly be considered “trashing” I assure you.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby Maritonic » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:44 am

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PitchBlackProgress wrote:They really try too hard to push the “coolness” factor in this movie and it just does not work…


I'm just curious, are you going into every Final Wars thread to trash it? Nothing wrong with that, I'm honestly just curious.

Is it any different than going to every GFW thread there is to praise it? I’ve seen many a member do that and no one bats an eye…

Who do I get the feeling someone could have sung endless praise in every FW related thread and you would have never opened your mouth?


Chill the skreeonk out, man.

I have called out people for going into every single open thread for a movie at a given moment to blow a movie up.

Remember the part when I said "Nothing wrong with that, I'm honestly just curious"? Because I really don't give a skreeonk. I'm just curious if that was your intention.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 am

Was it a earnest question or are you calling me out because your post makes it uncertain. You evidently care enough to ask.
Stop taking this so personal, someones allowed to give their opinion, whether negative or positive.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby Grievous » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:31 am

PitchBlackProgress wrote:They really try too hard to push the “coolness” factor in this movie and it just does not work…

I've always thought they were pushing the "campiness" & it worked if you liked camp.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:35 am

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PitchBlackProgress wrote:They really try too hard to push the “coolness” factor in this movie and it just does not work…

I"campiness" & it worked if you liked camp.

It really didn’t though and I’d know, my favorite films are the more campy Showa ones like Astro Monster, Sea Monster, Gigan and Megalon, it’s all about execution and Final Wars did an ass job at conveying anything.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby eabaker » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:29 am

PitchBlackProgress wrote:
Grievous wrote:
PitchBlackProgress wrote:They really try too hard to push the “coolness” factor in this movie and it just does not work…

I"campiness" & it worked if you liked camp.

It really didn’t though and I’d know, my favorite films are the more campy Showa ones like Astro Monster, Sea Monster, Gigan and Megalon, it’s all about execution and Final Wars did an ass job at conveying anything.


Other than Gigan (and maybe Se Monster), I'd call those movies "kitschy" rather than "campy." The strange, silly and over-the-top elements weren't being used (as far as I can tell) in a particularly self-aware or tongue-in-cheek way in Astro Monster or Megalon.

I'm willing to give Final Wars the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was crafted with camp as the intent, though I still think it did a pretty lousy job of it, and the movie doesn't actually seem to have anything to express through that camp tone.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby PitchBlackProgress » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:35 pm

Now that you say it, you’re completely correct about Monster Zero not being “camp” a better example would have been Ghidrah, The Three Headed Monster.

But I agree, if a “campy” feel was the intint, it did a shitty job of it.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby latinothor » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:34 pm

I'm willing to give Final Wars the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was crafted with camp as the intent


I used to think as such, but the more I watched the movie, I found basically all elements of the Godzilla folklore in the movie. Take for instance extremely contrasting scenes like the mutant attack on Ebirah, or Angie's attacks on the streets of China, and on the other side of the spectrum we have scenes like miniature tanks being blown up, in a comedic manner.
This is why I consider Final Wars a movie that embodies The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, per say, of the history of Godzilla. Fitting to a 50-year commemoration movie.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:54 pm

Final Wars works if you don't take it seriously, whether that was the intent or not! Kitamura worked to create his version of an entertaining Godzilla film. It's not perfect, but damned if it won't always hold a special place in my heart. It's the Godzilla movie I wanted to see when I was 12, and from what I've gathered it's still the one of the most popular amongst the younger set. Its all that Big Showa Energy, I'm telling ya!
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby eabaker » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:31 pm

latinothor wrote:
I'm willing to give Final Wars the benefit of the doubt and say maybe it was crafted with camp as the intent


I used to think as such, but the more I watched the movie, I found basically all elements of the Godzilla folklore in the movie. Take for instance extremely contrasting scenes like the mutant attack on Ebirah, or Angie's attacks on the streets of China, and on the other side of the spectrum we have scenes like miniature tanks being blown up, in a comedic manner.
This is why I consider Final Wars a movie that embodies The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, per say, of the history of Godzilla. Fitting to a 50-year commemoration movie.


None of what you said contradicts the idea that the movie is a work of camp. If anything, "tanks blown up, in a comedic manner" is pretty cold-blooded if you don't read it as camp.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby latinothor » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Indeed, camp is part of Godzilla folklore, among other tones and aspects shown throughout the movie.

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I suppose what I mean is that the movie embodies many different aspects of Godzilla history, let it being 'campy', flashy, action, drama, comedy etc. And, as such, I value the fact of what Kitamura wanted to achieve with Godzilla FW: To portray different aspects of Godzilla 50 years of history in one movie.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby UltramanGoji » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:22 pm

Unfortunately he did an absolutely poor job at that because not once does the film feel like anything other than the fifth Millenium movie.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:59 pm

I too thought Kitamura achieved what he wanted: get the Godzilla stuff out of the way as quickly as possible to get back to his high concept Hollywood action movie training project.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby latinothor » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:39 pm

Unfortunately he did an absolutely poor job at that because not once does the film feel like anything other than the fifth Millenium movie.


Strangely, for me the movie doesn't feel like the prior millennium movies, but instead it feels like something NEW and ahead of its time. At the same time, there's nostalgia. Kinda like a Showa movie set up in a very distant future.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby eabaker » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:42 pm

latinothor wrote:
Unfortunately he did an absolutely poor job at that because not once does the film feel like anything other than the fifth Millenium movie.


Strangely, for me the movie doesn't feel like the prior millennium movies, but instead it feels like something NEW and ahead of its time. At the same time, there's nostalgia. Kinda like a Showa movie set up in a very distant future.


Huh, I always thought GFW felt very much of its time. It's all about the kind of xXxXxXxTREME entertainment that was all the rage in the early 2000s.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby latinothor » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:47 pm

It's not perfect, but damned if it won't always hold a special place in my heart. It's the Godzilla movie I wanted to see when I was 12, and from what I've gathered it's still the one of the most popular amongst the younger set.


Indeed. And this is why I think the movie was ahead of its time. Toho needed to step up, for the future generations of fans.

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This is indeed one way to look at GFW. Specially with all the nods to popular movies at the time. This xtreme entertainment in movies, has not diminished over the years. Take for example The Matrix or Xmen (movies that GFW borrowed from) have become more entertaining over the years than in the earlier installations, than when GFW came out.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby eabaker » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:08 pm

latinothor wrote:This xtreme entertainment in movies, has not diminished over the years.


I disagree completely. I'd say that today's popcorn movies put far less emphasis on hollow, hyper-stylized sound and fury than what we were seeing 15 years ago. Gone are the days when everything had to incorporate bullet time and wire-fu.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby latinothor » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:14 pm

Sorry eabaker, I made a generalization when I meant to say movies of similar genres like sci-fi, or superhero movies, or even Anime like One Punch Man.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby goji89 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:28 pm

Terasawa wrote:I too thought Kitamura achieved what he wanted: get the Godzilla stuff out of the way as quickly as possible to get back to his high concept Hollywood action movie training project.


I agree with this sooo much my teeth hurt.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla Final Wars (2004)

Postby tyrantgoji » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:04 pm

this ones good if you want a good cheesy flick, but it honestly didn't hold up that well. some of my problems come from the monster designs.King Ceasar in particular.


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