It's the same film, only in Japanese.ShinGojira14 wrote:Unfortunately I haven't seen the original Japanese version of this film, so I can't give a definitive answer on how I feel about the original version due to not knowing how different it might be.
Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
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Re: Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
In comparing the Japanese language version with the International Dub, the English speaking characters (Blonde karate lady MechaG pilot and old scientist man) are SOMEHOW worse in the original version.
The International Dub, which is awful, somehow improved those performances. I don't know how that is even possible, but it happened.
The International Dub, which is awful, somehow improved those performances. I don't know how that is even possible, but it happened.
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^ Probably because the foreigners hired by Toho were usually not professional (or even amateur) actors. They got those parts because they were foreign and could adequately speak English. The export dubbers might not have always been good actors, but they had more experience.
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Re: Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
I love this movie, definitely one of my favorite of the 90s Godzilla movies, if not just my favorite outright. Kazuma Aoki and Asuza Gojo are solid and interesting characters, Miki has much more of a purpose here than she did in the previous two movies and is also as solid of a character as she was in GvB. Godzilla has character beyond just mindless rage, and you feel bad for him as Mechagodzilla cripples him and tears him apart. The kaiju fights here are super good. Godzilla vs Rodan is a tense and brutal bout. The final battle is amazing from start to finish and never gets boring. Effects are super good (mostly, Rodan flying leaves a good bit to be desired).
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The manga adaptation has something which fixes the big issues the movie has. Mainly, in the final act, a virus from the MKG components, makes MG go berserk after incapitcating Godzilla. it proceeds to run amok....hmmm wait, haven't seen heard this somewhere before?
Anyways, MG starts to violently torture Godzilla, and the manga is pretty clear this is horrible. MG proceeds to kill Godzilla, straight up, and then Rodan tries to save Godzilla and baby but is horribly killed too.
Like usual, Godzilla is revived from Rodan, but the battle plays out differently. MG is about to murder Baby. And:
Mg keeps fighting, and despite being continually wrecked, keeps getting up! A berserk shell of MG continues attacking. It's final attack is latching onto Godzilla in desperation, and exploding, though Godzilla survives:
I thought the manga had a better idea of how to have an actual villain. Sure Godzilla and Rodan are pests in the first half, but they're clearly just interested in the egg. The way MG is portrayed when it becomes berserk, makes it clearly out to be the final villain. Additionally, the way it fights back against Godzilla after being revived is more interesting than what the movie does.
Anyways, MG starts to violently torture Godzilla, and the manga is pretty clear this is horrible. MG proceeds to kill Godzilla, straight up, and then Rodan tries to save Godzilla and baby but is horribly killed too.
Like usual, Godzilla is revived from Rodan, but the battle plays out differently. MG is about to murder Baby. And:
Mg keeps fighting, and despite being continually wrecked, keeps getting up! A berserk shell of MG continues attacking. It's final attack is latching onto Godzilla in desperation, and exploding, though Godzilla survives:
I thought the manga had a better idea of how to have an actual villain. Sure Godzilla and Rodan are pests in the first half, but they're clearly just interested in the egg. The way MG is portrayed when it becomes berserk, makes it clearly out to be the final villain. Additionally, the way it fights back against Godzilla after being revived is more interesting than what the movie does.
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I love that Manga. The fights are so intense and it feels like the stakes are much higher than in the film.
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One of the few times the violence works in service of the narrative. You feel bad for Godzilla, and see it's complete overkill. The movie itself is still sympathetic towards Godzilla, but has him rampage a lot more. It allows for MG to become the definitive villain.shadowgigan wrote:I love that Manga. The fights are so intense and it feels like the stakes are much higher than in the film.
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Ripping Godzilla's plate in half like that is straight messed up. That's Ultraman-level whatthefuckery. I'd kind of like to see some sick villain (it seems right up Destoroyah's alley) try that in a movie, only to have Godzilla charge up his ray and release it explosively through the damaged plate and into the villain's face.
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That sounds like something a future MG would face while fighting Shin Godzilla.
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Re: Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
So basically the Manga Heisei Mechagodzilla was Kiryu before Kiryu was a thing?
I'll admit if this brutal side of Mechagodzilla or the callous nature of it was displayed in the final fight with Godzilla I would have liked it more. Rather than finding it one of the most boring "antagonists" in the history of the franchise.
I'll admit if this brutal side of Mechagodzilla or the callous nature of it was displayed in the final fight with Godzilla I would have liked it more. Rather than finding it one of the most boring "antagonists" in the history of the franchise.
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I dunno, one of the things I actually really like is the ambiguity of the final fight not having a distinct "good guy" and "bad guy," and that our allegiance shifts to Godzilla more because of a sense that G-Force is going too far despite basically good intentions.
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We can basically thank Miki for that impression. Her reluctance to target the sacral brain makes the order to attack Godzilla seem cruel.
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My 12-year-old daughter and I watched this movie last. She thought Baby was just darling and kawai and all sorts of adorable. She found the film on the whole to be epic. She even said that she almost cried at the end as they're trying to get Baby to leave with Godzilla. The music was just magnificent and even with the dubbing, my daughter felt the emotions conveyed by Azusa and Baby.
My question: Where exactly is the climatic battle set?
My question: Where exactly is the climatic battle set?
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Makuhari, a business district within Chiba.H-Man wrote:My question: Where exactly is the climatic battle set?
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Thanks!Terasawa wrote:Makuhari, a business district within Chiba.H-Man wrote:My question: Where exactly is the climatic battle set?
One thing I liked about the Heisei series is that they generally went with different cities for each film:
G'1985 - Tokyo
GvsB - Osaka
GvsKG - Sapporo, Tokyo (justifiable by the time travel stuff)
GvsM - Nagoya, Tokyo, Yokohama
GvsMG - Yokkaichi, Kyoto, Sendai, Chiba
GvsSpG - Beppu, Yamamoto, Kagoshima, Fukuoka
GvsD - Tokyo, Hong Kong
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Yeah, that's definitely something I prefer about the Heisei Godzillas compared to those that came later. The final battle in every Millennium Series movie took place in some ward of Tokyo, except GMK, where the final battle is only a little further away in Yokohama. The geography nerd in me has always appreciated when these movies show monsters in more than just the same few large cities, and I think the Millennium Series kinda failed in that regard.
GvKG and GvSG are notable, geographically speaking, for having monsters attack cities in Hokkaido, Honshu, and Kyushu. I'm pretty sure those are the only two Godzilla films to do that. It also took 21 movies to get Godzilla to Kyushu. I don't think he's been back in any movie since, either.
GvKG and GvSG are notable, geographically speaking, for having monsters attack cities in Hokkaido, Honshu, and Kyushu. I'm pretty sure those are the only two Godzilla films to do that. It also took 21 movies to get Godzilla to Kyushu. I don't think he's been back in any movie since, either.
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Re: Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I typed my previous post. "What about the Milen--oh, Tokyo almost every time."Terasawa wrote:Yeah, that's definitely something I prefer about the Heisei Godzillas compared to those that came later. The final battle in every Millennium Series movie took place in some ward of Tokyo, except GMK, where the final battle is only a little further away in Yokohama. The geography nerd in me has always appreciated when these movies show monsters in more than just the same few large cities, and I think the Millennium Series kinda failed in that regard.
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Godzilla vs mechagodzilla 1993 opinion
Does anybody in the fandom actually like Godzilla vs mechagodzilla 1993, which I think is very underrated. Adding to this, does anybody own the actual Japanese region 2 dvd with accident subtitles from sumogorilla, monsterislandtoys, or gmk toys? I think it is a much better viewing experience with accurate subtitles.
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Yes, I'd say the movie has a pretty enthusiastic following among Heisei fans. It doesn't have the enthusiastic following that it did in the mid-90s, when it was hailed as the second coming of Mothra vs. Godzilla, but it is definitely still much beloved by a not-insignificant portion of the fandom.
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Re: Talkback Thread #20: Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II (1993)
I hate Mechagodzilla (Heisei) with a passion but the film itself is fine enough, liked Godzilla Jr.'s story and the Godzilla/Rodan stuff was fine. Plus the Garuda guy seemed like a likeable underdog.