Toho's Godzilla 4K Restoration Project

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Malchik wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:20 am Can't argue there. G84 and Bio were probably the most cinematic of that era.
100% I feel that you can compare those films to US films of the same general timeframe, and they sort of hold their own and stand up. Once the 90s hit, it just felt like the production value and cinematic quality of the Godzilla films just seriously lagged behind similar US films of the same era.

Although Destoroyah would be the next one after them. By then, Okawara had developed a bit more of a cinematic eye(although it was best in G2K). Considering everyone involved knew it would be the final Godzilla film for a while and that Godzilla would die...I think that film benefitted from those involved bringing their A-game.

It is still a little uninspired in some places, in terms of visuals and cinematography, but there are plenty of places where it really works and feels more like cinema and less like TV.

But yeah, the 1991-1994 films are fairly brutal in a number of facets. Weak scripts, cinematography, production value. The films are colorful, have great music and lots of lasers, and generally I dig all of the creature designs, but not much beyond that.

If there were a way that going straight from Biollante to Destoroyah made sense, continuity wise, I'd embrace it...but alas, the presence of Junior requires that GvsMGII be watched, which requires that GvKG be watched...which requires the viewer to buy into a terribly executed bullcrap time travel plot.
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The '90s Godzillas have a sterile quality to them but nothing to compare them to contemporary TV films, especially in Japan. The reason why those films look comparatively worse, as Chrispy touched on, is because they were made and released at a time when Hollywood raced ahead of Japan's film industry. I think they look a lot more like low budget Hollywood films of the same time than anything shot for TV.
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Ima be honest, I REALLY want those 4K's.
does anyone have access to [names of torrent sites redacted]?
There's a chance they won't be on there, but it's worth a look.
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MONSTER MANIC wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:27 am Ima be honest, I REALLY want those 4K's.
does anyone have access to [names of torrent sites redacted]?
There's a chance they won't be on there, but it's worth a look.
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Currently watching the criterion Blu-ray of ghidorah the three-headed monster, definitely one of the better hi-visions, the colours are vibrant and pop out nice also, the print toho used (Interpositive?) Appears to be in pretty good condition with little to no scratches at all criterions tweaks just make the whole thing look a lot better as well, the stronger contrast gives way to slightly more vibrant colours.

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I think the films in most need of revision on the Criterion Showa set are KKvG (J), MvG and IoAM. Those were based off dupes and earlier restorations as the camera negative was edited and compiled into the cut-down Toho Champion Matsuri Festival versions of the 1970s. Once they got to GtTHM they spared the camera negatives and used something else.
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Great Hierophant wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:38 am I think the films in most need of revision on the Criterion Showa set are KKvG (J), MvG and IoAM. Those were based off dupes and earlier restorations as the camera negative was edited and compiled into the cut-down Toho Champion Matsuri Festival versions of the 1970s. Once they got to GtTHM they spared the camera negatives and used something else.
Yeah, the champion festival was a mistake.

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MONSTER MANIC wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:25 am
Great Hierophant wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:38 am I think the films in most need of revision on the Criterion Showa set are KKvG (J), MvG and IoAM. Those were based off dupes and earlier restorations as the camera negative was edited and compiled into the cut-down Toho Champion Matsuri Festival versions of the 1970s. Once they got to GtTHM they spared the camera negatives and used something else.
Yeah, the champion festival was a mistake.
The editor's shortsightedness was a mistake. Toho's archiving was lacklustre at best.
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GodzillaFan1996 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:33 am https://twitter.com/SpaceHunter_M/statu ... 01920?s=19

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where are all of these people finding these rips? :mad: :mad: :mad:

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They’re not “finding” them. I’m pretty sure they are being carefully shared between trusted friends.

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canofhumdingers wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 am They’re not “finding” them. I’m pretty sure they are being carefully shared between trusted friends.
And I call this bull$hit. Why they do it? Do they feel better than the rest of the fans? "Oh look at me, I'm so unique that I got this rip, let's make it secret for only "trusted" people"... It's 21st century... come on...

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smagal wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:14 am
canofhumdingers wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:35 am They’re not “finding” them. I’m pretty sure they are being carefully shared between trusted friends.
And I call this bull$hit. Why they do it? Do they feel better than the rest of the fans? "Oh look at me, I'm so unique that I got this rip, let's make it secret for only "trusted" people"... It's 21st century... come on...
Because it's not really smart to just be sharing stuff like this everywhere. You throw it around to just anyone and everyone and eventually Toho is absolutely going to shut it down. Come on now, let's be realistic here.

If I was lucky enough to have access to one of the 4k airings (which I have, since I had a copy of KKvsG back in 2019) I would definitely not be going "Here it is, everyone in the entire fandom! Take it! Take it! Take it!" because that'd be a good way to screw myself. Like humdingers said, I'd be carefully sharing with trusted friends within my own circle, because I'm not obliged to let everyone see it.
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Legion nailed it. Same reason the best Star Wars (or other film) preservations are hard to find or invite only.

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dont agree. i understand the star wars comparison, but its not like these are those rare star wars footage found in a basement and never before seen. this skreeonk aired on television. I would understand if it was like servanov's Return of Godzilla find, like if you found taht stuff in a basement, thats the star wars situation then yes, i agree keep that stuff to yourself and you have the right to not share that. but this literally was from toho, not from some fanboys basement, that broadcast. I think it's silly.

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It's still someone else's IP that your sharing for free online in a completely different country for everyone else to see. You do know Toho has a huge problem with stuff like that, right?

And again, no one should feel obligated to share anything with the rest of the fandom if they don't want to. No one is entitled to everything.
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right, they have a huge problem with that. so lets start blasting it on twitter and start making memes with those 4k video clips on twitter! /s Right right, its so illegal, we better flaunt it, instead of actually keep it secret in a circle like we should. All I am saying is, the Star Wars comparison is in no way the same thing that is happening with these. It is what it is, agreed to disagree.

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airforce111 wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:20 pm dont agree. i understand the star wars comparison, but its not like these are those rare star wars footage found in a basement and never before seen. this skreeonk aired on television. I would understand if it was like servanov's Return of Godzilla find, like if you found taht stuff in a basement, thats the star wars situation then yes, i agree keep that stuff to yourself and you have the right to not share that. but this literally was from toho, not from some fanboys basement, that broadcast. I think it's silly.
Then make your own Japanese fandom contacts and get copies through them yourself? As Legion said, no one is obligated to share anything with anyone else. Nor is anyone obligated (except legally) to withhold clips or screenshots.

I'd also like to point out that being petulant about it isn't going to make anyone who might have these want to share them. :shrug:
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This is a problem I have, not just with Godzilla fandom, but with modern fandoms in general. Everyone thinks they're entitled to everything else and they get upset when people aren't automatically sharing what they have. If a buddy of mine does me a solid and sends me a copy of the 4k version of KKvsG what kind of person would I be if I in turn shared it with every Tom, Dick and Harry that I don't even know out of some weird expected courtesy to the entire fandom. I'm sorry, life doesn't work thst way.

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As someone who *maybe* has these recordings, I can affirm that Legion1979 and Terasawa are absolutely correct about this. The source I could have received them from DOES NOT want them passed around. A recording of a TV broadcast is technically illegal, doubly so if it’s shared in any way. Don’t forget that these were broadcast on PREMIUM cable (IE you pay extra for those channels) too, so the expectation is that these are very exclusive to paying customers. Toho is one of the most litigious companies out there and will crack down hard if they’re shared freely.

I earned my “right” (it’s such an entitled word but it’s the only one I can think to use right now) to get access to these types of things because I spent years fostering relationships with people and building trust.
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