Shin Godzilla - The General Discussion Thread

[LegendZilla]

^Seeing that list makes me wonder what a Shin James Bond will be like.

[Vakanai]

The Hideaki Anno Exhibition is going on right now at Tokyo's National Art Center. There's a huge section devoted to his childhood influences; part of that includes a graphic (which is going around social media) listing specific films that influenced him. The list is:

Spoiler:

• Fleischer's Superman series (1940s)
• Godzilla (1954)
• Rodan (1956)
• Westward Desperado (1960)
• Mothra (1961)
• Atragon (1963)
• Retreat from Kiska (1965)
• Fort Graveyard (1965)
• Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
• The War of the Gargantuas (1966)
• Fantastic Voyage (1966)
• Gamera vs. Gyaos (1967)
• King Kong Escapes (1967)
• Japan's Longest Day (1967)
• The Human Bullet (1968)
• Latitude Zero (1969)
• The Flying Ghost Ship (1969)
• Battle of Okinawa (1971)
• The Andromeda Strain (1971)
• Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)
• Live and Let Die (1973)
• Submersion of Japan (1973)
• Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
• The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
• The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
• Blue Christmas - Blood Type: Blue (1978)
• Superman (1978)
• Alien (1979)
• Moonraker (1979)
• The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
• For Your Eyes Only (1981)
• Imperial Navy (1981)
• Octopussy (1983)
• A View to a Kill (1985)

Seeing the 1940s animated serial there, can't help but still wonder if that one episode ever had anything to do with the inspiration for Godzilla. I mean, it feels so much like a spoof of Goji despite predating him.

[LegendZilla]

The design of Godzilla in this film looks like a mix of Shodai, ‘62 and Heisei.

[Smuggers]

The design of Godzilla in this film looks like a mix of Shodai, ‘62 and Heisei.

Don't really see the similarities besides them all being Godzilla. Shin looks entirely like its own thing.

[LegendZilla]

The design of Godzilla in this film looks like a mix of Shodai, ‘62 and Heisei.

Don't really see the similarities besides them all being Godzilla. Shin looks entirely like its own thing.

He has the expression of Shodai, the facial features and head-shape of '62 and the rest of his body is akin to the Heisei Goji, especially with the ludicrously long tail.

[Smuggers]

He has the expression of Shodai, the facial features and head-shape of '62 and the rest of his body is akin to the Heisei Goji, especially with the ludicrously long tail.

Yeah sorry but I just can't see any of these

[king_ghidorah]

I can't see that at all....

To me, it's just a more "realistic" version of the 54 and that's about it.....

Or put another way, it's the 54 filtered through Cronnenberg

[LegendZilla]

^I see him as Hedorah in Godzilla's clothing.

[Cryptid_Liker]

The Hideaki Anno Exhibition is going on right now at Tokyo's National Art Center. There's a huge section devoted to his childhood influences; part of that includes a graphic (which is going around social media) listing specific films that influenced him. The list is:

Spoiler:

• Fleischer's Superman series (1940s)
• Godzilla (1954)
• Rodan (1956)
• Westward Desperado (1960)
• Mothra (1961)
• Atragon (1963)
• Retreat from Kiska (1965)
• Fort Graveyard (1965)
• Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
• The War of the Gargantuas (1966)
• Fantastic Voyage (1966)
• Gamera vs. Gyaos (1967)
• King Kong Escapes (1967)
• Japan's Longest Day (1967)
• The Human Bullet (1968)
• Latitude Zero (1969)
• The Flying Ghost Ship (1969)
• Battle of Okinawa (1971)
• The Andromeda Strain (1971)
• Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)
• Live and Let Die (1973)
• Submersion of Japan (1973)
• Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
• The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
• The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
• Blue Christmas - Blood Type: Blue (1978)
• Superman (1978)
• Alien (1979)
• Moonraker (1979)
• The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
• For Your Eyes Only (1981)
• Imperial Navy (1981)
• Octopussy (1983)
• A View to a Kill (1985)

There's a suprising amount of Bond films in there

[LegendZilla]

The Hideaki Anno Exhibition is going on right now at Tokyo's National Art Center. There's a huge section devoted to his childhood influences; part of that includes a graphic (which is going around social media) listing specific films that influenced him. The list is:

Spoiler:

• Fleischer's Superman series (1940s)
• Godzilla (1954)
• Rodan (1956)
• Westward Desperado (1960)
• Mothra (1961)
• Atragon (1963)
• Retreat from Kiska (1965)
• Fort Graveyard (1965)
• Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
• The War of the Gargantuas (1966)
• Fantastic Voyage (1966)
• Gamera vs. Gyaos (1967)
• King Kong Escapes (1967)
• Japan's Longest Day (1967)
• The Human Bullet (1968)
• Latitude Zero (1969)
• The Flying Ghost Ship (1969)
• Battle of Okinawa (1971)
• The Andromeda Strain (1971)
• Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)
• Live and Let Die (1973)
• Submersion of Japan (1973)
• Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla (1974)
• The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
• The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
• Blue Christmas - Blood Type: Blue (1978)
• Superman (1978)
• Alien (1979)
• Moonraker (1979)
• The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
• For Your Eyes Only (1981)
• Imperial Navy (1981)
• Octopussy (1983)
• A View to a Kill (1985)

There's a suprising amount of Bond films in there

Makes me wonder what a Shin James Bond will be like.

[Spuro]

^Seeing that list makes me wonder what a Shin James Bond will be like.

He just silently strolls around London without a care in the world until a stray bullet catches him in the shoulder. He draws his firearm and goes to town on the bad guys while the soundtrack plays a mournful song about how the life of a secret agent means nobody will remember his name after he dies. The scene ends with an exhausted Bond collapsing into bed with a woman as London burns in the background.

[LegendZilla]

^Seeing that list makes me wonder what a Shin James Bond will be like.

He just silently strolls around London without a care in the world until a stray bullet catches him in the shoulder. He draws his firearm and goes to town on the bad guys while the soundtrack plays a mournful song about how the life of a secret agent means nobody will remember his name after he dies. The scene ends with an exhausted Bond collapsing into bed with a woman as London burns in the background.

I imagine that appearance-wise James Bond will be like his original literary incarnation, only amped up to 11. He would not only be covered from head to toe in scars, but physically disfigured and ugly from all the STDs he received from years of sleeping with every woman he could seduce.

[eabaker]

^Seeing that list makes me wonder what a Shin James Bond will be like.

He just silently strolls around London without a care in the world until a stray bullet catches him in the shoulder. He draws his firearm and goes to town on the bad guys while the soundtrack plays a mournful song about how the life of a secret agent means nobody will remember his name after he dies. The scene ends with an exhausted Bond collapsing into bed with a woman as London burns in the background.

10/10

Would watch at least once a month.

[Jetty_Jags]

the life of a secret agent means nobody will remember his name after he dies

More or less the basis for Melville's Le Samourai

[shadowgigan]

Watched Shin for the first time in a while today. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the characters. Some argue there is no depth to the characters in this film but I disagree. Each has their own individual quirks and motivations that make them likeable, even if they're only on screen for a short period of time.

[tbeasley]

There's definitely some KingGoji in Shin in an aggerated/grotesque way.

[miguelnuva]

Thinking back to how well this did in 2016 with critics and in Japan I'm suprised it wasn't at least nominated for heat foreign film at the Oscars.

[LSD Jellyfish]

Thinking back to how well this did in 2016 with critics and in Japan I'm suprised it wasn't at least nominated for heat foreign film at the Oscars.

While I disagree the notion that people don't like giant monsters and believe that people use it as a strawman to counter or defend Godzilla films from performing amazing world wide, I think it reflects on the fact that a lot of the oscars people have a very particular taste of what they like/don't like, and Shin Godzilla doesn't fit into that mold nicely. It's clearly important, to both culturally and socially to Japan, but doesn't fit nicely into the types of dramas that typically get nominated/win these awards.

[miguelnuva]

Thinking back to how well this did in 2016 with critics and in Japan I'm suprised it wasn't at least nominated for heat foreign film at the Oscars.

While I disagree the notion that people don't like giant monsters and believe that people use it as a strawman to counter or defend Godzilla films from performing amazing world wide, I think it reflects on the fact that a lot of the oscars people have a very particular taste of what they like/don't like, and Shin Godzilla doesn't fit into that mold nicely. It's clearly important, to both culturally and socially to Japan, but doesn't fit nicely into the types of dramas that typically get nominated/win these awards.

That makes sense. Shin to me doesn't feel like a Godzilla film where it's just fun watching monsters fight. Shin like Gojira tries to tell a serious stroy with a Giant monster being the vehicle.

I always felt if Oscar critics laughed at the Godzilla series that would look differently at Gojira.

[Gojira1604]

I can't see that at all....

To me, it's just a more "realistic" version of the 54 and that's about it.....

Or put another way, it's the 54 filtered through Cronnenberg

Just my personal opinion but I think 54 feels alot more "realistic" looking than Shin does. 54 looks in many ways what I think a dinosaur thing would look like if much of its skin & back got blown off by a bomb.
Shin on the other hand, while I love everything about his design, I could argue has "trying too hard" features all over him. Built in Villian smile, the glowing red patches & his "super long tail with a friggin face at the end of it"! Yeah as a design I think Shin is many times more outlandish.