Heisei Godzilla vs Monsterverse King Ghidorah (Spoilers)

[Spuro]

Don't forget Godzilla had also been recently charged up by the nuclear sub when he unleashed the blue spiral ray.

On that note... a serious question. This battle takes place in Tokyo. How does the environment, in this case the humans that are probably hoping to rid themselves of Ghidorah, factor into things?

[_JNavs_]

Don't forget Godzilla had also been recently charged up by the nuclear sub when he unleashed the blue spiral ray.

On that note... a serious question. This battle takes place in Tokyo. How does the environment, in this case the humans that are probably hoping to rid themselves of Ghidorah, factor into things?

Well let's just say they have Masers, wouldn't that just power MV Ghidorah up tenfold?

[Spuro]

Don't forget Godzilla had also been recently charged up by the nuclear sub when he unleashed the blue spiral ray.

On that note... a serious question. This battle takes place in Tokyo. How does the environment, in this case the humans that are probably hoping to rid themselves of Ghidorah, factor into things?

Well let's just say they have Masers, wouldn't that just power MV Ghidorah up tenfold?

Masers aren't lightning. They're basically amplified microwaves, much as how lasers are amplified lightwaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maser

In essence they work very similarly to lasers, at least in real life. Real life masers (and lasers, while we're at it) are invisible, silent, generally don't cause 'splosions. And also prolly wouldn't make very good weapons in real life.

But inaccuracies about masers and lasers aside in fiction, the main point I'm trying to make is that they're not meant to be lightning guns, despite how the beams in the Showa films were drawn.

[HillyHulk]

Heisei Godzilla is too slow for this fight. He does have a means to push Ghidorah back, but that will only last so long against a crafty opponent like Ghidorah and his Atomic Ray can be countered by Gravity Beams. Sorry, Godzilla, but this is no contest. Ghidorah wins really handily.

[ROMG4]

I have no idea how people believe Heisei Godzilla's beams are so strong that they will literally RIP his wings to nothing before he could get close

Like really? His beams have never done except against Mothra, Battra, and Heisei KG

It's also worth noting they only affected KG after his control was broken and he was uniquely affected by the Nuclear Pulse. Additionally Heisei KG is an entirely different character to MV Ghidorah with his own unique durability, strength, and so forth. So what affected him will not affect MV as far as we can see

Likewise what Heisei Godzilla are we talking about here? If it's 91 then he only has the proto Spiral for a few shots, if it's 94 then Heisei has nothing but his standard load out

Which means no Spiral Ray

[PopInPicsPresents]

and his Atomic Ray can be countered by Gravity Beams. Sorry, Godzilla, but this is no contest. Ghidorah wins really handily.

Except MVKG's Gravity Beams are pretty trash. It's hardly no contest.

I have no idea how people believe Heisei Godzilla's beams are so strong that they will literally RIP his wings to nothing before he could get close

Are you implying Heisei Godzilla's AR isn't strong enough to blast through MVKG's wings? Cause that's kind of ridiculous. They're the weakest part of Ghidorah's body, if anything is gonna get punched through its the wings. Not to mention this Ghidorah likes to block projectiles with his wings. You're either overrating Ghidorah or underplaying Godzilla.

Like really? His beams have never done except against Mothra, Battra, and Heisei KG

lol you don't say, it's almost like Godzilla's ray has already shown itself to shred wings after prolonged hits

It's also worth noting they only affected KG after his control was broken and he was uniquely affected by the Nuclear Pulse.

Mind control wasn't giving Ghidorah beam immunity considering they start damaging the wings in the very beginning of the fight.

Additionally Heisei KG is an entirely different character to MV Ghidorah with his own unique durability, strength, and so forth. So what affected him will not affect MV as far as we can see

Do you have any other arguments besides that? Because that seems like your whole argument in a nutshell. What proof do you have that Godzilla won't damage Ghidorah's wings?

[LamangoKaijura]

Heisei Godzilla's beam won't do shit. Since you know. Ghidorah has fucking regen that makes Biollante go 'OK THAT'S TOO OP'

[Spuro]

Eh, Biollante's seems to work faster. And she appears to lack Ghidorah's energy requirements for regeneration.

[Zarm]

It's also worth noting they only affected KG after his control was broken and he was uniquely affected by the Nuclear Pulse. Additionally Heisei KG is an entirely different character to MV Ghidorah with his own unique durability, strength, and so forth. So what affected him will not affect MV as far as we can see

It is true that MV Ghidorah is a unique kaiju with his own unique durability.

One that lost a head far more easily than Heisei KG. He regen is greater, but his durability? Not demonstrably improved; rather the opposite. (And with a period of disability following decapitation).

Likewise what Heisei Godzilla are we talking about here? If it's 91 then he only has the proto Spiral for a few shots, if it's 94 then Heisei has nothing but his standard load out

Which means no Spiral Ray

...94 was Supercharged. He had the Spiral Ray (as used against KG) and the Spiral Fire Ray (as used against SG), both of which he demonstrated the ability to ramp up to in combat without an external source. Plus his nuclear pulse, radiation absorption, regen, and base durability.

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Heisei Godzilla's beam won't do poop. Since you know. Ghidorah has skreeonking regen that makes Biollante go 'OK THAT'S TOO OP'

It also required several minutes to kick in, in Mexico. And didn't prevent catastrophic damage.

When burning Godzilla was giving off massive amounts of radiation, it was presumably (and ironically) also feeding King Ghidorah's regen in massive quantities; Ghidorah was withstanding the massive damage of the pulses because of the massive feed from Burning Godzilla. (And ironically, KG might do better against Meltdown Heisei than normal Heisei). But his regen's manifestation in the rest of the film does not match that extremely high level; against a normally-radioactive Godzilla, KG can still take decapitation damage with fair ease- and presumably, other damage as well.

The pulse-resisting regen is an outlier owing to Burning Godzilla's outpouring of runaway, ramping radiation; not the norm demonstrated in the rest of the film.

[ROMG4]

...94 was Supercharged. He had the Spiral Ray (as used against KG) and the Spiral Fire Ray (as used against SG), both of which he demonstrated the ability to ramp up to in combat without an external source. Plus his nuclear pulse, radiation absorption, regen, and base durability.

What? Heisei Godzilla has never had the ability to freely ramp up his power. In GVKG he only had the proto Spiral Ray because he was just supercharged from the nuclear submarine. In GVSG he only had the spiral because of the massive amounts of radiation Spacegodzilla was putting off as he was dying.

Except MVKG's Gravity Beams are pretty trash. It's hardly no contest.

You can say the same about most Hesei beams

Also how far away is Ghidorah from Goji? Y'all seem to be assuming Godzilla will just become a lock on death cannon and annihilate Ghidorah from across the coast. This is ignoring of course that Godzilla WAITS for his enemies to get close to him everytime, so the range difference is mute. Either way the moment MV Ghidorah gets within melee range Hesei is toast as he absolutely has no way to deal with him


So unless Heisei can somehow vaporize Ghidorah in the 7 seconds it takes Ghidorah to get to him and Ghidorah loses all his beam dodging agility he had in KOTM. I don't see how he'll be so easily annihilated

[Unit~NoA]

Depending upon how well the novel correlates with the movie, Ghidorah regeneration still relies on a steady power source. This Godzilla doesn't. I haven't read the novel at all but unless it was specifically stated that Ghidorah's absorption included beams I'm not quite sure the same level of regen would show up at all, idk.

But overall Ghidorah should have this. With his superior mobility and his tools the fight will eventually fall to his favor. The bolts' heat won't be much of a problem but in terms of kinetic power he's going to mop Heisei. Legendary Godzilla is 30,000t heavier than him and got knocked off his feet and shoved around consecutively by the bolts. The damage and hosing is going to be drastically potent on this comparably light weight Godzilla. Add in the fact in most cases it takes forever for Godzilla to use his pulse the siphoning would be fatal.

[Zarm]

What? Heisei Godzilla has never had the ability to freely ramp up his power. In GVKG he only had the proto Spiral Ray because he was just supercharged from the nuclear submarine. In GVSG he only had the spiral because of the massive amounts of radiation Spacegodzilla was putting off as he was dying.

Again, that is not what the Japanese dialogue indicates. SpaceGodzilla is not releasing mass amounts of energy- he's absorbing mass amounts of energy from Godzilla. He absorbs until he overfeeds, overloads, and dies. The energy is not coming from SpaceGodzilla, but from Godzilla. (This is also noted in the summary here: https://godzilla.fandom.com/wiki/Godzil ... ceGodzilla, as much as anyone trusts a wiki; SpaceGodzilla is draining Godzilla, rather than vice-versa. Godzilla summons the Fire Spiral Ray while being drained- a very good skill to have in this particular matchup, as well- rather than from absorbing something SpaceGodzilla is giving off.)

Likewise, Godzilla has grown to a larger size and has new capabilities because of the sub's irradiation, but considering that he's not simply in spiral ray mode automatically, but ramps up to that, the idea that it is simply due to the radiation dose (time-delayed?) kicking in doesn't really match the film's events. In both cases, Godzilla is shown ramping up to a new level of destructiveness independent of external stimuli. Those new abilities have to be unlocked by something (the sub mutating him further, or Fire Rodan's energy)- but once in place, the onscreen evidence shows Godzilla under duress self-overclocking to activate those new abilities.

Also how far away is Ghidorah from Goji? Y'all seem to be assuming Godzilla will just become a lock on death cannon and annihilate Ghidorah from across the coast. This is ignoring of course that Godzilla WAITS for his enemies to get close to him everytime, so the range difference is mute. Either way the moment MV Ghidorah gets within melee range Hesei is toast as he absolutely has no way to deal with him

No, we are assuming that Heisei will beam-spam as he often does at a distance- and, in close-quarters combat if getting battered (likely), use the Nuclear Pulse to gain some distance (and then pick up with the aforementioned spamming).

No one's saying (I think) that KG is going to go down easily; rather, that Godzilla's ability to match this fight evenly, and potentially come out on top, is being vastly underrated by the advocates for King Ghidorah.

[Inferno Rodan]

My understanding of the GvsSG situation is as follows: SG's crystals act as control mechanisms for the energy absorbing organs in his shoulders. It's not that SG was "draining" Godzilla which was causing him to overload, it's that he simply couldn't regulate all of the energy he was absorbing from his fortress. Godzilla was passively absorbing the energy from the fortress as well, which is how he eventually got to use his Spiral beam. Even if SG was in fact getting the excess energy from Godzilla, he certainly wasn't actively draining it so much as just passively absorbing what Godzilla was throwing off.

[Breakdown]

Depending upon how well the novel correlates with the movie, Ghidorah regeneration still relies on a steady power source. This Godzilla doesn't. I haven't read the novel at all but unless it was specifically stated that Ghidorah's absorption included beams I'm not quite sure the same level of regen would show up at all, idk.

During the final battle in the novel, Ghidorah is constantly regenerating from injuries Godzilla inflicts on him, and it doesn't say anything about him requiring energy until he gets the power boost where he heals some particular grizzly gashes on one of his necks. This leads me to believe he has a sort of base-level regen that can take care of minor injuries. When he loses his head, he requires absorbing radiation from Rodan's volcano to heal quickly. I theorize he probably could have just regenerated the head over time, but this sped up the process significantly.

Anyway Heisei's beam spamming isn't really that much of a factor. His ray isn't that much better than Showa Godzilla's or even MonsterVerse Godzilla (from what we've seen so far). That "blue spiral ray" argument people keep bringing up is such a non factor that it's almost laughable. He only used that ability in one movie and even then only twice. The first time Ghidorah flat out no-sold it and the second time was after Ghidorah had already been weakened by a Nuclear Pulse. Hell in literally every scene it's used, his standard ray flat out failed to faze Heisei Ghidorah who is of similar durability to MonsterVerse, if not slightly less.

Heisei's average-tier beams are not going to deter Ghidorah from getting in close and mauling Godzilla, who again, couldn't even deal with Heisei Ghidorah in melee until the latter suffered a triple-stroke from his mind control being broken. He's certainly not going to throw down with a Ghidorah who's much more aggressive and makes better use of his strength.

The Nuclear Pulse, depending on when it's used, may or may not help Godzilla. It certainly won't help when Ghidorah is draining him, and if used before that Ghidorah can probably just heal the damage done unlike Heisei Ghidorah who had no such ability. Godzilla is basically done once the sky-drop and drain come.

[LamangoKaijura]

Depending upon how well the novel correlates with the movie, Ghidorah regeneration still relies on a steady power source. This Godzilla doesn't. I haven't read the novel at all but unless it was specifically stated that Ghidorah's absorption included beams I'm not quite sure the same level of regen would show up at all, idk.

IF ONLY. THERE WAS. A LIVING NUCLEAR REACTOR. NEAR BY.

[Omegazilla]

We talking post supercharged Godzilla? Post Rodan sacrifice as well? If so Ghidorah has no chance. I know whenever shortly after a new Godzilla movie comes out there's this hysteria of "(insert new Godzilla here) is the most powerful!" it happened with GMK, FW, 2014, and now KotM Godzilla. Ghidorah struggled to take on Godzilla during their first fight and KotM Godzilla isn't particularly impressive as he seems to almost always need humans to bail him out of trouble whereas Heisei Godzilla only really required human assistance on Spacegodzilla and even then he wasn't at the peak of his power like in the subsequent movie. Heisei Godzilla almost always was able to come out on top of his opposition in a 1v1 fight and this fight will be no exception. Even when Mothra and Battra tag teamed him, he managed to take one of them out. Monsterverse Godzilla needed human assistance at some point with all of his major competitors, be it MUTO Prime, Ghidorah, or the MUTOs.

Monsterverse Ghidorah has great regeneration but so does Heisei Godzilla. The red spiral ray and pulse waves should be more than enough firepower to down Ghidorah. Sure Ghidorah has better physical combat prowess, but how is it going to actually seriously injure Godzilla? I know someone is going to mention the Heisei Ghidorah fight had the humans intervene, but if Godzilla was able to pulse Ghidorah after being strangled I am sure he would have if Ghidorah kept trampling him. Even if not, I just can't see Heisei Godzilla dying from something like that as well. He has been in volcanos for years and has had no problem with it. Whereas Monsterverse Ghidorah is supposedly from space where it is way colder than Antarctica yet gets frozen in Antarctica.

[KingKong2005]

^Don't you think Monsterverse Ghidorah's durability is higher than Heisei Ghidorah's? I feel like the Nuclear Pulse wouldn't be as harmful to MV Ghidorah as it was to Heisei Ghidorah.

[_JNavs_]

MV Ghidorah is definitely more durable than Heisei Ghidorah lol.

No matter what stance you have on the MV Oxygen Destroyer, Ghidorah still ate that shiit pointblank.

Let's not even get into the fact that Heisei Ghiddy had ol slowpoke foaming at the mouth, while MV Ghiddy is 10x more flexible and versatile with his moveset.

Along with the above, he evaporated Mothra, knocked Godzilla out of the fight twice, and put Rodan in his place by sending him plummeting into the ocean with a few gravity beams.

[KingKong2005]

MV Ghidorah is definitely more durable than Heisei Ghidorah lol.

No matter what stance you have on the MV Oxygen Destroyer, Ghidorah still ate that shiit pointblank.

Let's not even get into the fact that Heisei Ghiddy had ol slowpoke foaming at the mouth, while MV Ghiddy is 10x more flexible and versatile with his moveset

Yeah, I don't see how it isn't GG for Heisei Godzilla.

[_JNavs_]

MV Ghidorah is definitely more durable than Heisei Ghidorah lol.

No matter what stance you have on the MV Oxygen Destroyer, Ghidorah still ate that shiit pointblank.

Let's not even get into the fact that Heisei Ghiddy had ol slowpoke foaming at the mouth, while MV Ghiddy is 10x more flexible and versatile with his moveset

Yeah, I don't see how it isn't GG for Heisei Godzilla.

It's definitely lights out for ol Heisei Tankzilla. As much as he's a favorite of mine, he just isn't pulling out of this one.

To quote a young Confucius,