Neon Genesis Evangelion

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby goji89 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:39 pm

ManuJM1997 wrote:
goji89 wrote:
SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:Misato is best girl*, mostly because she's the character who (relatively) has the most of their poop together.




*: human wise, best non-human girl is obviously Ramiel.


It's Lilith you bastard.


Pfff, Rei is best girl for you?

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Manuelito Canelito » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:42 pm

goji89 wrote:
ManuJM1997 wrote:
goji89 wrote:
It's Lilith you bastard.


Pfff, Rei is best girl for you?

Casual~


What's wrong with casual? Heart wants what the S2 Engine can give.


Then choose the obvious best grill

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Stump Feet » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:27 pm

^ that's skreeonking great :lol: thanks so much for that
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Rody » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:46 pm

Well, I just finished my viewing of the series on Netflix tonight. It's been a pleasure to finally watch the show through an official channel (minor issues notwithstanding), and to revisit it for the first time since my original viewing some 7 years ago.
Despite my frustrations with the show back then, NGE still kept me fascinated for a long time; I think I can say with confidence now that I do like the show, and I appreciate a lot of what it does. Back in 2012, I was coming from a pretty naive and opinionated place about television, so I simply wasn't prepared for a lot of what the show presented. Alongside the aspects of Anno's own depression, who's influence on the show is established knowledge by now, I've seen communication described as the main theme, and I think that's apt. Yes, there are mecha and giant monsters; yes, there are sinister sci-fi mysteries and government shenanigans; but ultimately, the underlying core of this series is its cast of broken characters trying to maintain or repair themselves amidst circumstances too big for any of them. I can also appreciate how flexible the show can be - there are basically four "arcs" to the show's mood, and while that confused me before, I enjoy that variety now. NGE doesn't limit itself to one thing; it knows when and how to be serious or slightly silly.
This isn't to say I compleltely understand it yet, though; the last four episodes still drop a lot of information that's hard to follow, and the final two in particular are surprisingly dense, despite being practically spelled out. Ultimately, everything about SEELE, the Instrumentality Project, etc, had to build to something; but it was never the true focus, so the climax feels somewhat distracted. I can't fault the show too much, though; circumstances were working against GAINAX at the time, and I have no idea how the production/writing process was going at this point in the series. What sort of state was Anno himself in?
All in all, I think it's fair to say that, yes, NGE is a bit of a mess - at least at the end - but it has something earnest to say, and I respect it for that. I also owe it some gratitude, as the first-ever anime series I "officialy", fully watched. For all my confusion and frustration, I think the show did a lot to expand my boundaries and set new standards for what I look for in entertainment; and for the most part, I think that's been a very good thing.

I'll revisit Death and End of sometime soon.
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Rody » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:00 pm

After much delay I have revisited Death (True2) and The End of Evangelion. I don't have much to say about Death: it's a curious, almost interrogatory review of the series's events, and more specifically, the main characters and their states of mind, through the story to the near-end point.
End of Evangelion, however, is still a wild ride - and confusing as all get-out. Part 1: "Air" is so intensely violent and loaded with more layers of obtuse dialogue regarding the Instrumentality project, that it's hard to keep pace and actually absorb everything properly. Unlike the first time, however, I get the impression that, like the climax of the TV series, the gritty details are essentially an unintentional distraction - a necessary evil in trying to explain what remains of the "plot" so that the emotional core of the story can be given the proper focus. The flood of rapid-fire imagery and freakishly abstract end-times events in Part 2 are an over-stimulus that threaten to lose viewers once again; but in the end (haha - should I say the VERY end... of the end?), and as strange and disturbing as everything is in the final moments of the film, I found the core message of the story still came through. To me, Evangelion is saying that reality is ugly; but dreams are hollow, and true happiness can only be found in fighting through the ugliness of the world. It's not fun, and it's not always rewarding - but hope is real, rather than just a dream. Shinji might still struggle to find love, but if he can at least love himself, than maybe someone else can love him too.
Evangelion is complicated - like real life, I guess. But I think it has something good to say.

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Jetty_Jags » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:04 pm

I really like Death True2, I think it does a really nice recap of the series and helps connect things that would otherwise be missed.
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Rody » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:28 pm

^Yeah, it's by no means a "bad" film; it's just meant as a recap film, and it does so quite competently. I also enjoy the way it rearranges segments so we don't just see everything in chronological order, making the material feel a little fresh again.

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Cryptid_Liker » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:56 pm

ManuJM1997 wrote:
goji89 wrote:
ManuJM1997 wrote:
Pfff, Rei is best girl for you?

Casual~


What's wrong with casual? Heart wants what the S2 Engine can give.


Then choose the obvious best grill

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Rody » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:38 pm

^What, you don't want a tentacle schoolgirl angel? :P

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Cryptid_Liker » Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:11 pm

Rody wrote:^What, you don't want a tentacle schoolgirl angel? :P

No. You see, I like big thicc

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I don't know if anyone has posted this here but the first 4 Ultramen appear in You Can (Not) Advance... kinda.
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby tbeasley » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:17 pm

Ultraman is all over Evangelion. Check out the last chunk of this article -
https://maserpatrol.wordpress.com/2016/ ... -from-m78/

And in case you didn't know, 3.0+1.0 has been delayed again thanks to Covid -
https://www.evageeks.org/2020/04/evange ... 0-delayed/

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:36 am

Recently watched Return of Ultraman which is apparantly one of Anno's favorites, and you can definitely see the connection.
Prisma and the MAT helos being the biggest stylistic things I can pick out. I think the Eva bug bit me again, probably time for a rewatch
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Chrispy_G » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:15 pm

Just want to throw out the obvious....

I love Neon Genesis Evangelion and I think it is a profound, masterful, amazingly well-rounded work of art and entertainment.

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Kaltes-Herzeleid » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:25 pm

Major sssspielberg! wrote:Recently watched Return of Ultraman which is apparantly one of Anno's favorites, and you can definitely see the connection.


I remember the episode of the original Ultraman where it had that one kaiju (Zaragas) that kept evolving every time it was attacked to grow more powerful and dangerous. Made me wonder if that had an influence on Shin Godzilla. He even breathes out this red smoke as he does so, similar to Godzilla's second form gushing blood from his gills.
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:28 pm

Kaltes-Herzeleid wrote:
Major sssspielberg! wrote:Recently watched Return of Ultraman which is apparantly one of Anno's favorites, and you can definitely see the connection.


I remember the episode of the original Ultraman where it had that one kaiju (Zaragas) that kept evolving every time it was attacked to grow more powerful and dangerous. Made me wonder if that had an influence on Shin Godzilla. He even breathes out this red smoke as he does so, similar to Godzilla's second form gushing blood from his gills.


That's an interesting point! Shin's final form reminds me a lot of Bemular. A lot a lot
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edgaguirus wrote:Your climax sounds better than the one we got in the movie.


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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Cryptid_Liker » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:47 pm

Major sssspielberg! wrote:
Kaltes-Herzeleid wrote:
Major sssspielberg! wrote:Recently watched Return of Ultraman which is apparantly one of Anno's favorites, and you can definitely see the connection.


I remember the episode of the original Ultraman where it had that one kaiju (Zaragas) that kept evolving every time it was attacked to grow more powerful and dangerous. Made me wonder if that had an influence on Shin Godzilla. He even breathes out this red smoke as he does so, similar to Godzilla's second form gushing blood from his gills.


That's an interesting point! Shin's final form reminds me a lot of Bemular. A lot a lot

They both havegoogly eyes, wide open mouth, tiny twig arms... Shin Godzilla = Bemular.

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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:00 pm

Cryptid_Liker wrote:They both havegoogly eyes, wide open mouth, tiny twig arms... Shin Godzilla = Bemular.


Except Shin is down with the THICCNESS
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edgaguirus wrote:Your climax sounds better than the one we got in the movie.


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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby gottatalktothefake » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:22 pm

Already posted this in the unpopular opinion thread, but I really dislike Evangelion as a whole, especially the waifu culture it helped create. However, the main theme is skreeonking amazing and I cannot stop listening to it, in Japanese and English.
Legit, every KoTM hater I have ever seen on social media or interacted with are all the same. They are either these young kids to middle aged adults so detached from anything beyond the Japanese films that they can't enjoy anything that doesn't begin with one of the Toho logos. They're the type that would of had no issues with KoTM if it was a Japanese-made production and think films like Godzilla vs. Monster Zero are the pinnacle of human drama.
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Manuelito Canelito » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:27 pm

gottatalktothefake wrote:Already posted this in the unpopular opinion thread, but I really dislike Evangelion as a whole, especially the waifu culture it helped create. However, the main theme is skreeonking amazing and I cannot stop listening to it, in Japanese and English.


Evangelion actually criticizes said waifu culture. Asuka shows that an IRL Tsundere would be skreeonked up and incredibly obnoxious, and that the perfect silent waifu would be as creepy as Rei is.

Not the show's fault weebs took it the complete opposite way
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Re: Neon Genesis Evangelion

Postby Jetty_Jags » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:48 pm

Honestly its kind of a Watchmen Rorschach scenario. Turns out fans will often miss the "point" of trope satire quite often. Although, with Rorschach, I actually think Alan Moore's worth as a writer is almost at odds with his personal philosophy, I think he actually makes Rorschach too complicated to be the straw-man you'd get the impression he is from reading Moore's comments on the character.
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