Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

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Which did you like more?

Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995)
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Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 am

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Couldn't exactly find the appropriate forum section for this given they're from different eras so figured this would be the closest place.

Anyways there's been comparisons between both films and surprisingly have similar elements to it most notably the titular monsters awakening to deal with an ancient rival of theirs and said rival if left unchecked could spell doom to the world rapidly reproducing.

That said which of the two films do you prefer and why?

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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby tyrantgoji » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:45 am

GOTU by FAR. G14 is such a borefest to get through,and once you reach the climax,it's to little to late. All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck. Meanwhile GOTU has memorable characters,far more creative monsters (not saying i hate the M.U.T.O's tho),and you can actually SEE what's going on!

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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Vakanai » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:56 am

tyrantgoji wrote:GOTU by FAR. G14 is such a borefest to get through,and once you reach the climax,it's to little to late. All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck. Meanwhile GOTU has memorable characters,far more creative monsters (not saying i hate the M.U.T.O's tho),and you can actually SEE what's going on!

That last bit is kind of unfair though - really it's just the home releases so far that're so hard to see.

Also I personally don't find the characters all that memorable, just personal opinion, and the creative monsters argument is also kind of an odd one - none of the monsters were new for that film, it was just Gamera and Gyaos, monsters that've been in film for decades by that point. Maybe the way the movie reintroduced them and reimagined them was creative, but the monsters are old.
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby tyrantgoji » Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:16 pm

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tyrantgoji wrote:GOTU by FAR. G14 is such a borefest to get through,and once you reach the climax,it's to little to late. All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck. Meanwhile GOTU has memorable characters,far more creative monsters (not saying i hate the M.U.T.O's tho),and you can actually SEE what's going on!

That last bit is kind of unfair though - really it's just the home releases so far that're so hard to see.

Also I personally don't find the characters all that memorable, just personal opinion, and the creative monsters argument is also kind of an odd one - none of the monsters were new for that film, it was just Gamera and Gyaos, monsters that've been in film for decades by that point. Maybe the way the movie reintroduced them and reimagined them was creative, but the monsters are old.


That's exactly my point. The re-imagining of Gamera and Gyaos were far better than the introduction of the M.U.T.O's and Godzilla's re-imagining. The former two had better backstories behind them in my opinion.

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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Orichalcum » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:23 pm

Vakanai wrote:That last bit is kind of unfair though - really it's just the home releases so far that're so hard to see.

Yeah, no. He's been told that time and time again, I think he just says it to troll or something.

All you have to do is pay attention to the stock footage G14 sequences in GKOTM to see how good the film actually looks.
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Vakanai » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:42 pm

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tyrantgoji wrote:GOTU by FAR. G14 is such a borefest to get through,and once you reach the climax,it's to little to late. All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck. Meanwhile GOTU has memorable characters,far more creative monsters (not saying i hate the M.U.T.O's tho),and you can actually SEE what's going on!

That last bit is kind of unfair though - really it's just the home releases so far that're so hard to see.

Also I personally don't find the characters all that memorable, just personal opinion, and the creative monsters argument is also kind of an odd one - none of the monsters were new for that film, it was just Gamera and Gyaos, monsters that've been in film for decades by that point. Maybe the way the movie reintroduced them and reimagined them was creative, but the monsters are old.


That's exactly my point. The re-imagining of Gamera and Gyaos were far better than the introduction of the M.U.T.O's and Godzilla's re-imagining. The former two had better backstories behind them in my opinion.

Disagree with the re-imagining of Godzilla, the MonsterVerse Godzilla has been one of my favorites in design and powers. And the backstory behind Godzilla as an ancient apex predator just works.

The slow pacing and main human character of Godzilla 2014 are my only real problems with the movie.
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Terasawa » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:49 pm

G14 is a solid movie but GOTU is a classic of the genre.
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Postby Komenja » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:14 pm

GOTU, no contest.
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Postby Living Corpse » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:26 pm

tyrantgoji wrote:GOTU by FAR. G14 is such a borefest to get through,and once you reach the climax,it's to little to late. All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck. Meanwhile GOTU has memorable characters,far more creative monsters (not saying i hate the M.U.T.O's tho),and you can actually SEE what's going on!


God even the MUTOs are better characters than most of the humans. I will say that for G2014, they remembered to make the monsters characters.
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Smuggers » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 pm

tyrantgoji wrote:All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck.

Those two are some of the worst though. Why do you give them a pass?
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Postby tyrantgoji » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:02 pm

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tyrantgoji wrote:All of the main characters beside Serizawa and Graham absolutely suck.

Those two are some of the worst though. Why do you give them a pass?


In a film where the main hero is just some random stone faced soldier and his equally stone faced wife,and the more interesting guy gets killed less than halfway through,two characters that can provide explanations for how the monsters came to be and how they think Godzilla shouldn't be killed stands out quite alot.

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Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:03 pm

They are very similar in a lot of ways but Gamera is just so much more entertaining. Gamera is actually fun! The characters aren't the deepest or the most developed but they all are very likeable. Asagi's mental connection with Gamera also helps to add an extra layer of urgency to the action sequences. Any emotional connection in G14 went completely out the window when Joe did.
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Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:17 pm

G14 all day. Memorable score, memorable scenes, state of the art cinematography and an intriguing world all around.

GotG is okay, definitely a good movie, just not my ideal kaiju flick.
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Postby Terasawa » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:44 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:GotG is okay, definitely a good movie, just not my ideal kaiju flick.


Not surprising since there's nary a kaiju to be seen.

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Edit: And at the risk of sounding confrontational, I wonder just what kaiju movies you'd rank ahead of the Legendary flix.
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Terasawa wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:GotG is okay, definitely a good movie, just not my ideal kaiju flick.


Not surprising since there's nary a kaiju to be seen.

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Edit: And at the risk of sounding confrontational, I wonder just what kaiju movies you'd rank ahead of the Legendary flix.

I rank them alongside Terror of MechaG, G54, Godzilla vs Destoroyah, GMK, G vs Mothra and Godzilla vs Gigan
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Smuggers » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:24 am

tyrantgoji wrote:In a film where the main hero is just some random stone faced soldier and his equally stone faced wife,and the more interesting guy gets killed less than halfway through,two characters that can provide explanations for how the monsters came to be and how they think Godzilla shouldn't be killed stands out quite alot.

So they're standout characters because they exist solely to provide exposition about the monsters?
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Postby _JNavs_ » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:05 am

They're the Men in Black for monsters lol, Monarch Specialists, providing exposition is kinda the MO.

Plus Serizawa is just the coolest.
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Postby Smuggers » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:22 am

_JNavs_ wrote:They're the Men in Black for monsters lol, Monarch Specialists, providing exposition is kinda the MO.

Plus Serizawa is just the coolest.

I mean yeah, but they can be actual characters too. It's just weird to see that movie get so much flak for "boring characters" or "wooden characters" yet two of them are given a pass seemingly just because they said something cool. I was wondering if it went beyond that or if that is literally it, seems like the latter. Tbh it just makes some of the complaints about Ford harder to take seriously because it gives off the impression they want the most basic in-your-face characterizations possible.
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Postby _JNavs_ » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:39 am

Smuggers wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:They're the Men in Black for monsters lol, Monarch Specialists, providing exposition is kinda the MO.

Plus Serizawa is just the coolest.

I mean yeah, but they can be actual characters too. It's just weird to see that movie get so much flak for "boring characters" or "wooden characters" yet two of them are given a pass seemingly just because they said something cool. I was wondering if it went beyond that or if that is literally it, seems like the latter. Tbh it just makes some of the complaints about Ford harder to take seriously because it gives off the impression they want the most basic in-your-face characterizations possible.

Ford was a cool character too, military man who watched his mom die (as a kid no less), his dad die, and had to worry about his wife and son not making it out of the city. Of course he's not going to be the most enthusiastic character. The complaints of him being boring normally boil down to "he isn't making quips every 10 seconds", which doesn't make sense considering he's been trained by the military to react a certain way.
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Re: Gamera: Guardian of the Universe (1995) vs. Godzilla (2014)

Postby Terasawa » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:40 am

Isn’t there a military character in KOTM who makes quips every 10 seconds?

I think the bigger complaint with Ford is that ATJ gives a pretty lifeless performance.
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