What do you consider the first kaiju fight?

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What do you consider the first kaiju fight?

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I would say that this question also involves how you define kaiju, but that's not the point of this topic. The point is what would you consider the first kaiju battle- the first fight between two giant creatures. The 1925 The Lost World has the first dinosaur fights, but I'd say the first kaiju fight would be the 1933 Kong vs the T-Rex. It's a good throw down, and has been imitated by other movies.
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Godzilla vs Anguirus in GRA. I do not consider anything before G54 truly 'Kaiju' films.
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Godzilla vs Anguirus. Can't really think of anything else.

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I've always considered it to be Kong vs. Tyrannosaurus from the '33 film. :)

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I'd say in my book its that one slurpasaur fight from the 1940 One Million Years; its in the sense of being creatures not based on any real one and are strange creatures, which kaiju literally means.


Honestly, the fights in Losat World 1925 are of dinosaurs which are clearly real creatures with explanation, and a similar case occurs in King Kong 33; even Kong is clearly an ape. These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
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Al Diplodocus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:08 am These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
If I could hazard a guess, I think one is a caiman and the other is a tegu. :P
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Kaiju-King42 wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:52 am
Al Diplodocus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:08 am These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
If I could hazard a guess, I think one is a caiman and the other is a tegu. :P
You're right, but the first one's also a baby caiman. Adult caimans are bigger than tegus.

I wonder why, after it killed the tegu (at least, I think it did), the baby caiman didn't even try to eat it.
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Al Diplodocus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:08 am I'd say in my book its that one slurpasaur fight from the 1940 One Million Years; its in the sense of being creatures not based on any real one and are strange creatures, which kaiju literally means.


Honestly, the fights in Losat World 1925 are of dinosaurs which are clearly real creatures with explanation, and a similar case occurs in King Kong 33; even Kong is clearly an ape. These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
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Voyager wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 pm Godzilla vs Anguirus in GRA. I do not consider anything before G54 truly 'Kaiju' films.
I don't consider any film outside of Japan to be a Kaiju movie at all. Like you can call the monsters in Pacific Rim Kaijus. But that's kind of like calling Zilla Godzilla to me

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Kaiju-King42 wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:52 am
Al Diplodocus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:08 am These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
If I could hazard a guess, I think one is a caiman and the other is a tegu. :P
No what I mean is, these creatures clearly aren't dinosaurs, but they aren't reptiles we know of. Everyone doesn't know of its biology or potential evolutionary history.

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mikelcho wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:34 am
Kaiju-King42 wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:52 am
Al Diplodocus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:08 am These guys? You can't get an idea of what these reptiles are besides the minimum of that.
If I could hazard a guess, I think one is a caiman and the other is a tegu. :P
You're right, but the first one's also a baby caiman. Adult caimans are bigger than tegus.

I wonder why, after it killed the tegu (at least, I think it did), the baby caiman didn't even try to eat it.
As the owner of two tegus I both find the fact that one was actually used in a borderline giant monster movie pretty cool, yet I'm totally not cool with what they put the animal through to film that.
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_JNavs_ wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:53 pm
mikelcho wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:34 am
Kaiju-King42 wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:52 am

If I could hazard a guess, I think one is a caiman and the other is a tegu. :P
You're right, but the first one's also a baby caiman. Adult caimans are bigger than tegus.

I wonder why, after it killed the tegu (at least, I think it did), the baby caiman didn't even try to eat it.
As the owner of two tegus I both find the fact that one was actually used in a borderline giant monster movie pretty cool, yet I'm totally not cool with what they put the animal through to film that.
I couldn't agree with you more. Doing something like that today would instantly be considered animal cruelty and dealt with both quickly and accordingly.

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mikelcho wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:54 pm
_JNavs_ wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:53 pm
mikelcho wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:34 am You're right, but the first one's also a baby caiman. Adult caimans are bigger than tegus.

I wonder why, after it killed the tegu (at least, I think it did), the baby caiman didn't even try to eat it.
As the owner of two tegus I both find the fact that one was actually used in a borderline giant monster movie pretty cool, yet I'm totally not cool with what they put the animal through to film that.
I couldn't agree with you more. Doing something like that today would instantly be considered animal cruelty and dealt with both quickly and accordingly.
Absolutely, it's insane to me how there were little to no regulations in regard to using and/or killing animals in films way back then.
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I read the wiki-page and it suggested this movie advanced animal rights concerns in film in general because of that scene.
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Pkmatrix wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:21 am I've always considered it to be Kong vs. Tyrannosaurus from the '33 film. :)
This. I disagree that only Japanese films can be kaiju films. The Japanese consider King Kong a kaiju, so it's pretty silly how some of us argue over it,
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I think that slurpasaur fight footage was used in Robot Monster.

As I said before, the answer largely depends on how you define a kaiju. I enjoy the variety of opinion these kinds of discussion can generate.
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Voyager wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 pm Godzilla vs Anguirus in GRA. I do not consider anything before G54 truly 'Kaiju' films.
Yep. This is the only correct and right answer.
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LSD Jellyfish wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:45 am
Voyager wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:34 pm Godzilla vs Anguirus in GRA. I do not consider anything before G54 truly 'Kaiju' films.
Yep. This is the only correct and right answer.
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edgaguirus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:04 pm I think that slurpasaur fight footage was used in Robot Monster.

As I said before, the answer largely depends on how you define a kaiju. I enjoy the variety of opinion these kinds of discussion can generate.
Yes, and not just in Robot Monster, but in practically any 1940s to 1960s film that needed dinosaur scenes but couldn't be bothered to do it the hard way and use stop-motion models and techniques. Look up the Legacy section of the Wikipedia article for One Million B.C. to see which films got this treatment.
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mikelcho wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 am
edgaguirus wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:04 pm I think that slurpasaur fight footage was used in Robot Monster.

As I said before, the answer largely depends on how you define a kaiju. I enjoy the variety of opinion these kinds of discussion can generate.
Yes, and not just in Robot Monster, but in practically any 1940s to 1960s film that needed dinosaur scenes but couldn't be bothered to do it the hard way and use stop-motion models and techniques. Look up the Legacy section of the Wikipedia article for One Million B.C. to see which films got this treatment.
I think that's a bit unfair - for many it was less about not doing it the hard way and more the inability to afford it. We can and should fault them for animal cruelty, but not for any perceived laziness when the truth is they were working with limited resources/on a budget and on a schedule.
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