The K.W.C. General Discussion Thread

[kaijufanforever]

sigh, another loss for Kamacuras and Ebirah, and another win for monster x(not gonna lie, i was expecting him to lose) when o when will Keizer Ghidoran lose

[Pacfanweb]

Not a huge fan of how the KWC has made Bagan some sort of super monster.

Taking down 9 other kaiju at once? Nah.

[Gigantis]

Not a huge fan of how the KWC has made Bagan some sort of super monster.

Taking down 9 other kaiju at once? Nah.

It's not just the K.W.C,speak to every Bagan fan online and they say "HE'S THE MOST POWERFUL MONSTER IN THE GODZILLA UNIVERSE!"

I can easily see him slaying these 9 monsters though because....well how is Kamacuras Kumonga and Ebirah of all monsters gonna beat him

[GigaBowserG]

It's not just the K.W.C,speak to every Bagan fan online and they say "HE'S THE MOST POWERFUL MONSTER IN THE GODZILLA UNIVERSE!"

Hey now, I'm a fan and don't see him as the strongest Actually, I feel Armor Mothra may be the most powerful monster in Toho's library...

But agreed with your second comment. I was worried after seeing it was another "Bagan vs. all these monsters" match, but after seeing who the combatants were, I didn't think it'd be a clean sweep, but it felt reasonable. Replace Bagan with something like Heisei/Burning Godzilla and I think the results would be similar. Tooth-and-claw can have a troublesome time against these energy tanks.

[Gigantis]

^Yeah,maybe i should have said "speak to the majority of Bagan fans". My bad

[soulgodzilla]

I should bring this up, but welcome back Ebirah.

But other then that...

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Aside from the flawed grammars people brought up, it was a missed opportunity to have Hedorah in this match despite his role in FW was nothing more then a brief cameo. I wonder how the match would have been had he showed up, but then again, his toxic smog might have weaken the other monsters (except for King Caesar and Gigan).

But other then that, it was still a fun match to read through. I was kinda routing for either Bagan or Gigan to win, but hey, a surprise win for Monster X.

[UltimateDitto]

Match was really cool, I like how Bagan was powerful, but not invincible like some of his previous iterations.

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I didn't mind the fast paced fights, since these are the final Wars monsters, so they're faster than most monsters. I loved how they fought as a cohesive unit, chipping away at Bagan, one monster attacks, another Following up and giving Bagan time to retaliate. The Xilians were portrayed nicely, good stuff.

My only real gripe with the match, is that once Keizer was introduced, he felt way to overpowered, shrugging off plasma blasts like nothing? I think Keizer still should have struggled slightly. Also Gigan felt a bit underutilized, he didn't even use his flying buzzsaws. But again, Gigan and X fighting like in unison against Bagan was pretty sick!

Also screw you KFF Kamacurus sucks and X and Keizer deserve more wins!
jk, but I'm a little serious about x though.

[Pacfanweb]

Not a huge fan of how the KWC has made Bagan some sort of super monster.

Taking down 9 other kaiju at once? Nah.

It's not just the K.W.C,speak to every Bagan fan online and they say "HE'S THE MOST POWERFUL MONSTER IN THE GODZILLA UNIVERSE!"

I can easily see him slaying these 9 monsters though because....well how is Kamacuras Kumonga and Ebirah of all monsters gonna beat him

Yeah, and I don't get that. There's no reason to think he'd be so powerful. His film versions were supposed to be defeated by Godzilla and also by Mothra, if memory serves.

I think the made him really strong in some game, but that's it. But he certainly was never meant to be as powerful as the KWC has portrayed him, that's for sure.

[Gigantis]

Got enough time to read Bagan vs. Team Xiliens today and i loved it! It has nice action sequences,nice characters and it's nice to see Bagan trudge through the entire group. Along with imagining his SNES skin being used.

Also looking at the banner,i think this may be the first match to use Showa Ebirah and King Caesar!

[KaijuX]

Yeah, and I don't get that. There's no reason to think he'd be so powerful. His film versions were supposed to be defeated by Godzilla and also by Mothra, if memory serves.

I think the made him really strong in some game, but that's it. But he certainly was never meant to be as powerful as the KWC has portrayed him, that's for sure.

That's the thing, though; the video game is the only "canon" Bagan we have. Yes, the scrapped movies kept him more grounded with his power scale, and there's no doubt that'll be the case if he ever gets a film role. I mean, when regular Godzilla only inflicts minuscule damage to him, I don't think it's unreasonable to see him as this be-all powerhouse if we're going off the video game. That said, there's still some exaggeration with the KWC depictions, notably in a lot of his earlier stuff. There are still plenty of monsters that could give him a hard time; Armor Mothra, Grand King Ghidorah, Super Godzilla, the Burning Godzillas, Utsuno Ikusagami... There's a good handful he can still go up against and have an even fight.

Besides, it's all fanfic by the end of the day. Don't get me wrong, it'd be refreshing to have a KWC that has Bagan be more grounded and less exaggerated (I think Match 206 is an excellent example of this). It'd be a fun writing challenge, to say the least.

[MoarCrossovers]

I think Godzilla Neo and the Bagan trilogy are responsible for the idea of OP Bagan.

[soulgodzilla]

I think Godzilla Neo and the Bagan trilogy are responsible for the idea of OP Bagan.

That and the “Force Loss Scenario cliche” in Super Godzilla where you have to wait for the Super X to come, all while Bagan is just wrecking Godzilla’s arse.

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Also, I think MV Ghidorah could still have a chance of defeating Bagan and maybe Spacegodzilla?

[KaijuX]

I think there was also an old fanfic called Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan that's something of the ancestral point of the OP Bagan concept, which influenced the Bagan trilogy.

[soulgodzilla]

I think there was also an old fanfic called Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan that's something of the ancestral point of the OP Bagan concept, which influenced the Bagan trilogy.

I see... then I guess that explains everything.

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Yet, was there ever an influence that made the fans depict Orochi being OP aside from Godzilla NEO?

[Gigantis]

I think there was also an old fanfic called Koumajutsu: The Coming of Bagan that's something of the ancestral point of the OP Bagan concept, which influenced the Bagan trilogy.

I see... then I guess that explains everything.

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Yet, was there ever an influence that made the fans depict Orochi being OP aside from Godzilla NEO?

No,i honestly don't think many G-Fans care about Orochi to begin with honestly.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Honestly, I've never heard of anyone thinking Orochi is OP. Mostly just Bagan and the usual suspects from the Heisei era.

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Utsuno tends to be regarded as super powerful whenever a fanfic acknowledges his existence, but Orochi is a bit harder to tell. The KWC seems to be the only place you can find stories with those two actually fighting in the modern day, or against anyone other than each other. Most fanfics just put them in the distant past, shrouded in myth and mystery.

[GodzillaFan1990's]

I think what makes it hard to have Orochi be OP is how limited he is in abilities when all he has is fire breath not to mention how heavy his body looks making it hard to see how he'd move quick.

[CommanderBowser]

New match

The match is a fun one, with some new alternates (SNES Bagan, as well as Showa King Caesar and Showa Ebirah)

The match and banner are very fun

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Glad Monster X is getting more wins. Overall, this match rocks

[KaijuX]

Utsuno I think gets OP points for how quickly he wrecked Orochi in the movie. Granted, how to scale that compared to the others is up in the air (much like the ROM kaiju). That said, how to gauge Orochi is harder to determine. My only real guess as to why Orochi is considered "strong" is because of his *conveyed* size (that is to say, he's large, long, and bulky) and the idea that he is a god. Other than that, there's not really much in placing Orochi in the same tier list as a regular Godzilla, imo.