Soggy is on point about a lot of things. And if anything, the laid back direction of allowing everyone in is not a good thing... It may *sound* like a good thing on paper, but in practice is another story. The KWCE has been a great place for me to experiment with what works and what doesn't. And while I do agree that obscure monsters can be highlighted by a platform such as this, having all of them in for the sake of all of them in makes a mess of things in the long run. It's one thing to say they have so few matches because of recent inclusion; but some, such as Goliath, Godzillasaurus, and Daigoro, hadn't had matches until we announced their retirements beforehand. Because they're underused, or popular vote dictates otherwise. And for the future, I don't think we'll be doing the system we've been doing with retirees; once we've announced them, those matches will either be processed to the KWCE or be returned for revisions. Only matches Verifiers and Editors have on-hand pre-announcement will be the only ones accepted.SoggyNoodles2016 wrote:Everyone eem to have utterly, completely missed the point of retirement.
The "cap thing" is only because of who gets picked for the roster. We get cap limits because everyone is gonna beg for their favorite kaiju to be put in and if we were to add them all, the roster would be 30 Godzillas, 10 Mothras, and no one else.
Retirement happens because to be utterly blunt, no one gives a fuck about the kaiju.
Daigoro and Goliath have been in the KWC since 2010 and had less then 10 matches in all that time.
Heisei King Ghidorah GOT BROUGHT BACK retirement so everyone could write new matches for them, which everyone swore UP AND DOWN was gonna happen.
He got 4 matches. Four. And it took 74 matches between the first match after he got back and the next match with him.
Heisei Mothra does have a lot of matches, yes, but every time she's written, she's either killed off like a bitch or just written because we have to have a Mothra. No one gives a shit about her. They'd rather write Legendary or Battra or Leo, so what's the point of having her there if we're not gonna use her
On that note, we aren't putting in new kaiju because new kaiju. It's because at least THEY have had people interested in writing for them. When outside of the match request (which is basically a dumping ground of matches people have no interest writing) has anyone even MENTIONED them.
You want fucking justification for retiring? Sorry, but the truth hurts.
They're retired because they're just not worth playing with anymore.
There is also the technical side as well. I have a question for you all to answer for yourselves; how long does it take for KWCE cards to load when you're looking at the list? I'm sure the mileage may vary depending on internet provider, but the point is that anyone with a less-than optimal connection could have a really hard time trying to see all the images on one page at once. This situation would be far, far worse with the KWC main page if that many monsters were just added willy nilly. And in the future, we're inevitably going to be redesigning the Combatant Statistics to be more streamline and easier to manage (and something more suited for mobile platforms). I think even making a separate page for Retirees would also be of benefit; and while that isn't an issue now, it's something to be considered for the future with more additions. So the more retirees we have, the less space they'll take up in the long run.
I think out of everything Soggy has said, there is only one point I wanted to clear up, and that concerns Mothra. We're not retiring her by her loss count. As Greyshot said previously, and this is a mentality I'm adopting myself, the more matches--be it win, loss or draw--a monster gets, the more attention they're receiving. Therefore, they're being used more. All of a sudden, it puts everything into perspective in who people are willing to write for the most, even if it's a loss. But that aside, the real reason we're retiring Heisei Mothra is, at this point, she's just Mothra Leo Lite. Everything Heisei can do, Leo can do better. This is why we're bringing in Millennium Mothra as her replacement, to act as the Universal Mothra in the same way Heisei Godzilla is the Universal Godzilla. And I think, if all goes well and is approved by Arbok, I think people are *really* going to like what Millennium Mothra can bring to the table that'll differentiate her from the others.
I think you'll be happy with another pet project I have in mind.godjacob wrote:If Muto Prime vs. King Ghidorah (Legendary) doesn't happen I will consider this addition a failure XD
But that might take a hot second, lol.
