The Official Star Wars Saga Thread

[miguelnuva]

Plagueis and Sidious didnt create Anakin in legends and Qui-Gui says it in TPM. In legends Plagueis was trying to create a pure dark side being, the Force got upset at this and in return created Anakin what Plagueis was trying to do with the dark side.

Plagueis heard about Anakin got scared and ordered Maul to kill him, Sidious saw Anakin as the final tool to his plan and started making moves.

[Zarm]

I don't know how many times I've seen The Empire Strikes Back, and it just occurred to me this last time- when Luke tells R2 to stay and watch over the camp, R2 just totally ignores him and follows anyway. That cracks me up.

[KaijuCanuck]

I don't know how many times I've seen The Empire Strikes Back, and it just occurred to me this last time- when Luke tells R2 to stay and watch over the camp, R2 just totally ignores him and follows anyway. That cracks me up.

It’s great when a movie you’ve loved and re-watched throughout your entire life continues to have new surprises. Last time I watched Ghosbusters I noticed a sight gag for the first time, and I’ve seen that movie as much as I’ve seen any other.

[Zarm]

I don't know how many times I've seen The Empire Strikes Back, and it just occurred to me this last time- when Luke tells R2 to stay and watch over the camp, R2 just totally ignores him and follows anyway. That cracks me up.

It’s great when a movie you’ve loved and re-watched throughout your entire life continues to have new surprises. Last time I watched Ghosbusters I noticed a sight gag for the first time, and I’ve seen that movie as much as I’ve seen any other.

Which one? I recently someone for the first time, too- and not even because I noticed it, but because I read someone else pointing it out.

[miguelnuva]

I don't know how many times I've seen The Empire Strikes Back, and it just occurred to me this last time- when Luke tells R2 to stay and watch over the camp, R2 just totally ignores him and follows anyway. That cracks me up.

Last time R2 didn't follow a Skywalker ir would be the last time he saw him. Anakin told him stay with the ship and as far as R2 would know he dies later that day.

The connective tissue of 1-6 amazes me to this day.

[KaijuCanuck]

I don't know how many times I've seen The Empire Strikes Back, and it just occurred to me this last time- when Luke tells R2 to stay and watch over the camp, R2 just totally ignores him and follows anyway. That cracks me up.

It’s great when a movie you’ve loved and re-watched throughout your entire life continues to have new surprises. Last time I watched Ghosbusters I noticed a sight gag for the first time, and I’ve seen that movie as much as I’ve seen any other.

Which one? I recently someone for the first time, too- and not even because I noticed it, but because I read someone else pointing it out.

It’s when Egon has Louis at the firehouse (possessed by the Keymaster). I can’t remember now exactly when (I think its when Peck comes in to shut things down) but as Egon speaks, Louis mimes his arm movements behind him. It’s so subtle but so funny.

Also, before we go top off topic here, can we just all acknowledge that the whole ‘keymaster’, ‘gatekeeper’ thing is without a doubt the greatest sex joke in the entire history of cinema?

[Zarm]

It’s great when a movie you’ve loved and re-watched throughout your entire life continues to have new surprises. Last time I watched Ghosbusters I noticed a sight gag for the first time, and I’ve seen that movie as much as I’ve seen any other.

Which one? I recently someone for the first time, too- and not even because I noticed it, but because I read someone else pointing it out.

It’s when Egon has Louis at the firehouse (possessed by the Keymaster). I can’t remember now exactly when (I think its when Peck comes in to shut things down) but as Egon speaks, Louis mimes his arm movements behind him. It’s so subtle but so funny.

Also, before we go top off topic here, can we just all acknowledge that the whole ‘keymaster’, ‘gatekeeper’ thing is without a doubt the greatest sex joke in the entire history of cinema?

So much of Lewis as the key master is absolutely priceless. From 'yes, have some!' to his delivery of 'I can tell you...', his physical and vocal shtick are some of the best comedy in the movie for me.

[Rhedosaurus]

Here's a remarkable video about why KK hasn't been fired yet.

[miguelnuva]

I dont care for TLJ but I still feel it was KK only real back step and even then it wasn't that bad money wise.

[eabaker]

She's a hugely successful producer who has helped Disney make a ton of money off of Star Wars. There would be no reason to fire her.

[Zarm]

Yeah, there may be plenty of controversy, but Disney isn't exactly hurting, money-wise. Now , if Solo's box office performance is repeated with ep. 9, and it turns out to be an effect of TLJ backlash/boycotts (rather than current perceptions of an intrinsic issue with Solo), that might change; but as things stand now, in their minds, if TLJ/the current state of the franchise is making good profits, Kennedy is doing a great job.

[Rhedosaurus]

She's a hugely successful producer who has helped Disney make a ton of money off of Star Wars. There would be no reason to fire her.

Yeah, there may be plenty of controversy, but Disney isn't exactly hurting, money-wise. Now , if Solo's box office performance is repeated with ep. 9, and it turns out to be an effect of TLJ backlash/boycotts (rather than current perceptions of an intrinsic issue with Solo), that might change; but as things stand now, in their minds, if TLJ/the current state of the franchise is making good profits, Kennedy is doing a great job.

Just because something makes a profit doesn't mean that it's successful. Just look at JP3. While it managed to make a profit, very few people consider it a true success. Not only that, but let's look at many other movies that made a profit yet were not considered successes.

Street Fighter '94 (This actually made a small profit, believe it or not.)

Zilla '98

X3: The Last Stand

Spiderman 3

Wolverine: Origins

The Last Airbender

Man Of Steel

The Amazing Spiderman 2

Batman vs. Superman

It's not just movies, but even movie executives as well. When Tom Rothman was in charge of Fox Studios, Fox always made a profit, yet he got fired anyway because of how he treated others like crap and always meddled. It was he who crippled the X-Men franchise and put his foot down on a proper Deadpool movie. (It's no coincidence that it was only after Rothman left did it finally get made.)

It's not just about making money in the here and now, but making sure that franchises are stable and healthy going forward. If you don't believe me, then explain to me why sales of Star Wars toys have basically imploded recently. I work in retail, and I saw far more SW toys still on shelves then I saw JW:FK toys the day after Christmas. So I have first hand account of seeing how angry SW fans have got since TLJ.

https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-last- ... sales-tank

Let me put this another way: If the profits=success mindset is true, then explain to me why Zach Snyder is no longer part of the DCEU. After all, if the first 2 DCEU movies he made manged to be profitable, (And before you say Wonder Woman, that was more of a stand-alone movie where Snyder wasn't nearly as involved.), then according to this mindset, he'd still be a main figure of said expanded universe, right.....?

[UltramanGoji]

If you don't believe me, then explain to me why sales of Star Wars toys have basically imploded recently.

Because Hasbro oversaturates the market with cheap shit nobody wants. It has nothing to do with the quality of the movies.

[Rhedosaurus]

If you don't believe me, then explain to me why sales of Star Wars toys have basically imploded recently.

Because Hasbro oversaturates the market with cheap poop nobody wants. It has nothing to do with the quality of the movies.

I don't doubt that Hasbro making low quality toys is a large part of it. (I only a few toys of the first JW toyline back in 2015.) But I'm not going to write off fan rage just yet. SW fans would got many of those toys if they weren't so angry.

[eabaker]

It is possible for a movie to be technically profitable but still perform well below expectations.

This was not the case for any of the first three Disney Star Wars films.

[Rhedosaurus]

It is possible for a movie to be technically profitable but still perform well below expectations.

This was not the case for any of the first three Disney Star Wars films.

But that's because with TFA and Rogue One, people didn't know what they were getting. Expectations where low. TLJ really burned a lot of people, so the fans took it on something, and Solo was that something. Not only that, but TLJ really dropped off fast. In reality, the Jumunji reboot/sequel would have been destroyed by TLJ. Instead, it kept on hanging and eventually overtook it. Something that NOBODY thought possible.

[eabaker]

Your interpretation of what lead to Solo's failure at the box office is pure speculation. I think you grossly overestimate the number of people in America or the world who would decide to punish a movie studio for making a movie that they didn't particularly enjoy.

They made a movie not many people were excited about - because pretty much nobody was clamoring for a Han Solo movie not featuring Harrison Ford - and they released it against some really big competition.

[Rhedosaurus]

Your interpretation of what lead to Solo's failure at the box office is pure speculation. I think you grossly overestimate the number of people in America or the world who would decide to punish a movie studio for making a movie that they didn't particularly enjoy.

They made a movie not many people were excited about - because pretty much nobody was clamoring for a Han Solo movie not featuring Harrison Ford - and they released it against some really big competition.

And who's fault was that for greenlighting it in the first place? KK.

[eabaker]

Your interpretation of what lead to Solo's failure at the box office is pure speculation. I think you grossly overestimate the number of people in America or the world who would decide to punish a movie studio for making a movie that they didn't particularly enjoy.

They made a movie not many people were excited about - because pretty much nobody was clamoring for a Han Solo movie not featuring Harrison Ford - and they released it against some really big competition.

And who's fault was that for greenlighting it in the first place? KK.

Yes, Solo was a poor idea in some respects, which was then timed and marketed badly, and much of the blame for that failure does fall on Kennedy, among others.

I don't recall saying that she was perfect.

[GodzillavsZilla]

People saying toy sales being low is the "death of Star Wars" is such over exaggeration for the sake of getting clicks on videos and articles, it's almost comical.