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What is your favorite DC film thus far?

Man of Steel
1
2%
Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice
6
15%
Suicide Squad
1
2%
Wonder Woman
4
10%
Justice League
0
No votes
Aquaman
1
2%
Shazam!
2
5%
Birds of Prey
1
2%
Wonder Woman 1984
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No votes
Zack Snyder's Justice League
5
12%
The Suicide Squad
20
49%
 
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KManX89 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:51 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:54 pm Duvernay's New Gods was canned. Very glad. Anyone who saw "A Wrinkle In Time" would no that she is not the right filmmaker to be handling something like that.

Martin Campbell made 2 great "reboots" for James Bond, both Goldeneye and Casino Royale, but he made a trash Green Lantern...not saying it was all his fault, but I think he was certainly not 'the right man for the job' in terms of the subject matter.

Also...New Gods being canned feels like it would be a good sign for any "RestoreTheSnyderverse" movement that is going on.

Release the Ayer Cut. When you look into and read all of the confirmed changes to the film, Ayer's Cut sounds like a dramatic improvement...and according to him, it wouldn't take anywhere close to $70M to complete it, I believe it is BASICALLY done according to him.

Not just stuff like the overall tone, where he says it was "beaten into" being a comedy. Not just stuff like the overall editing style where they handed it to a trailer company and insisted on the near constant inclusion of a non-stop soundtrack of featured songs....those two things alone would be big, but there were also key content changes.

Enchantress was meant to be under the influence/driven by a MotherBox, the weird concept of her "Brother" was meant to be a Parademon, and the film was meant to set up and foreshadow Steppenwolf's looming invasion.

All of those things would have worked better.

He says audiences didn't even get to really see Leto's performance because it was gutted from the film. They apparently completely tone-downed and removed the abusive aspect of his dynamic with Harley.

Beyond that, Joker was meant to be part of the finale, where he survives his plane crash, and makes a deal with Enchantress to become "king of Gotham" with Harley at his side. So in the finale Flag has to work against the woman he cares for, and Harley must work against the man she cares for.

So it sounds like there are significant, meaningful changes that the Ayer cut would have that would deliver a much stronger movie. I'm all for it, for me...that is the next step in this process of restoring the Snyderverse. First was his JL, next is Ayer's SS....and then they need to cancel some of the movies that would be going against Snyder's JL and green-light Snyder's JL 2 and 3 along with other films that would be part of his universe.
Unfortunately, they already said it's not happening.

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So who do you guys think is gonna be the first to die in The Suicide Squad?

My bets are Weasel, looks too dumb to live. :lol:

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All of them will.

I would expect nothing else.
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I actually expect King Shark to die but then come back the same way Groot did as in the comics he has regeneration capable of regrowing limbs and one time even his head.

Given the growing popular and how loved and adored he is in this film by most people, I can't see them permanently killing him off.

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I know this doesn't exactly relate to the DC movies, but it' still DC nonetheless. Look what I've found :

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Makes me wonder what it would be like if DC published an Elseworlds storyline featuring the Batman character in a Mesoamerican setting. What do you think it would be like? One idea I have is that instead of The Joker, Mesoamerican Batman's nemesis will be known by the alias of the Laughing Jaguar. His parents would have been Mayan nobles killed by a blowgunner.
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What really irks me about the DC movies is...

They seem to be done with the Snyder films. That Superman, Batman, Joker all are done.

....YET they're continuing that Wonder Woman, Aqauaman, Suicide Squad/Harley, and Flash.


They're simultaneously resetting the DC continunity with The Batman and pursuing Else World films, AND also cashing in on spin offs from the Snyder-Verse? When the Snyderverse has no more Justice League? It comes across as lazy and poorly planned. And is just confusing.

Synder films could use a proper conclusion. Why not let Zack Snyder do one more? Or wrap up these solo films with a Flashpoint film so all films exist in the new continunity. It's difficult to pinpoint what continuity each spin off or new DC films (like Shazam) take place in. And what these planned movies like Supergirl, Zatanna, Justice League Dark, the new African American Superman, and Lantern Corps exist in.
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Destoroyah of Worlds wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:55 pm What really irks me about the DC movies is...

They seem to be done with the Snyder films. That Superman, Batman, Joker all are done.

....YET they're continuing that Wonder Woman, Aqauaman, Suicide Squad/Harley, and Flash.


They're simultaneously resetting the DC continunity with The Batman and pursuing Else World films, AND also cashing in on spin offs from the Snyder-Verse? When the Snyderverse has no more Justice League? It comes across as lazy and poorly planned. And is just confusing.

Synder films could use a proper conclusion. Why not let Zack Snyder do one more? Or wrap up these solo films with a Flashpoint film so all films exist in the new continunity. It's difficult to pinpoint what continuity each spin off or new DC films (like Shazam) take place in. And what these planned movies like Supergirl, Zatanna, Justice League Dark, the new African American Superman, and Lantern Corps exist in.
I'm against this. My favorite DC film of the past decade is JOKER. The movie I'm most eagerly anticipating is The Batman. Basically the films taking place outside the main DCEU. Movies that couldn't be made in continuity with the rest. I don't see this need some fans have for everything having to be in the same universe. I mean, it's great for MCU styled large team up movies, but those big Avengers styled films shouldn't be the end all be all. I think ditching the need to connect everything opens up the potential for some truly amazing films of the sort we haven't seen in a while. I'll take Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy over anything we've gotten in the shared DCEU, and The Batman looks like something of that level. Whatever race Clark Kent winds up as, maybe a film divorced from the need to set up a Justice League will give us the best Superman since Christopher Reeve wore the cape. I don't care if DC characters ever share a team up film ever again, as long as their own solo movies are good I'll be one happy DC fan, and there's no need for the shared universe if you're only focus is making the best standalone films possible.

Also the continuity isn't that confusing:
Snyderverse - MoS, BvS (Ultimate Edition), Suicide Squad, WW, Zach Snyder Cut Justice League
DCEU (main continuity) - MoS, BvS (any edition), SS, WW, JL, Aquaman, Shazam, BoP, WW1984, upcoming The Suicide Squad, Black Adam, The Flash, Aquaman 2, Shazam 2, WW3, Amazons (if it doesn't get canceled)
JOKER-verse - JOKER
Earth 2 - The Batman
In Development/Unknown - Blackhawks, Blue Beetle, Static Shock, Hourman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Zatanna, Superman reboot
Most of the films in development sadly will probably wind up in the main DCEU. Hourman is likely tied to the Justice Society that'll appear in Black Adam, Supergirl will be the one appearing in The Flash, rumors are Batgirl will be mentored by Micheal Keaton's Batman appearing in the Flash. So the only films that might not be in their main universe is Blackhawks, Blue Beetle, Static Shock, Zatanna, and the Superman reboot, and even then most of those, probably all, will go to the main DCEU.

So their multiverse actually looks like this:
Snyderverse - MoS, BvS (Ultimate Edition), Suicide Squad, WW, Zach Snyder Cut Justice League
JOKER-verse - JOKER
Earth 2 - The Batman
DCEU (main continuity) - Literally everything outside ZSCJL, JOKER, and The Batman
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KManX89 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:51 am
Unfortunately, they already said it's not happening.
Well, just like the Snyder Cut "doesn't exist" or "Can't exist" or "can't happen" or "will never happen"...

AT&T calls the shots, they bought WB and became "Warner Media"...AT&T made the call to pump up HBOMax with the Snyder Cut.

Every metric that is measurable, able to be examined, or has been released indicates that the Snyder Cut performed incredibly well. If the Warner Media Top Brass see dollar signs in continuing the SnyderVerse...it will happen no matter what preemptive remarks the WB execs make.

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Chrispy_G wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:42 am
KManX89 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:51 am
Unfortunately, they already said it's not happening.
Well, just like the Snyder Cut "doesn't exist" or "Can't exist" or "can't happen" or "will never happen"...

AT&T calls the shots, they bought WB and became "Warner Media"...AT&T made the call to pump up HBOMax with the Snyder Cut.

Every metric that is measurable, able to be examined, or has been released indicates that the Snyder Cut performed incredibly well. If the Warner Media Top Brass see dollar signs in continuing the SnyderVerse...it will happen no matter what preemptive remarks the WB execs make.

You can't stop the tide.
"Doesn't exist" and "ain't happenin'" are two completely different things, unfortunately.

Oh, and speaking of ain't happenin', WB cancels New Gods and The Trench.

I ain't mad about The Trench, but New Gods? There goes our only legit hope of seeing a live-action Darkseid (in more than just a cameo).
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How would they have made a Trench movie even work to begin with?

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I never understood the point of a Trench movie, either. That was easily the least interesting part of the Aquaman movie.
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I think they canned New Gods...and I'm GLAD they canned New Gods, because they were going to create a version of Darkseid that was different than Snyder's....and frankly, he did it first, and people responded well to it.

If anything, New Gods being canned means good things for potentially seeing them just roll with Snyder/his films/his version of the character.

Duvernay was not going to make anything worth seeing. She isn't cut out for New Gods. A Wrinkle in Time was awful. She's clearly not really right for genre blockbusters.
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Chrispy_G wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 pm I think they canned New Gods...and I'm GLAD they canned New Gods, because they were going to create a version of Darkseid that was different than Snyder's....and frankly, he did it first, and people responded well to it.

If anything, New Gods being canned means good things for potentially seeing them just roll with Snyder/his films/his version of the character.

Duvernay was not going to make anything worth seeing. She isn't cut out for New Gods. A Wrinkle in Time was awful. She's clearly not really right for genre blockbusters.
...how? How can you be so sure that Synder's vision for the DCEU is coming back, when everyone in a position at WB to know say no?
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Vakanai wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:33 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 pm I think they canned New Gods...and I'm GLAD they canned New Gods, because they were going to create a version of Darkseid that was different than Snyder's....and frankly, he did it first, and people responded well to it.

If anything, New Gods being canned means good things for potentially seeing them just roll with Snyder/his films/his version of the character.

Duvernay was not going to make anything worth seeing. She isn't cut out for New Gods. A Wrinkle in Time was awful. She's clearly not really right for genre blockbusters.
...how? How can you be so sure that Synder's vision for the DCEU is coming back, when everyone in a position at WB to know say no?
AT&T purchased WB and formed Warner Media. No matter what the studio level WB execs say...if the upper echelon Warner Media execs tell them to do something like say....release the Snyder Cut to pump up HBOMax....they HAVE to whether they all agree or not.

The upper execs of AT&T, the company that PURCHASED Time Warner, are ultimately the big daddy bosses. Yes, plenty of WB Studio execs got to keep their jobs and relative positions of authority....but just like the Snyder Cut was a Time Warner/AT&T/HBOMax decision and not a "WB Execs" decision....the same would be true for any continuation.

Of COURSE any home-grown internal WB execs would be against it, they don't want to look like they were wrong for changing the film in the first place(They were) and they don't like the idea of the Snyder Cut being so successful or being "forced" to continue it instead of going into their more "radical" reinterpretation of the DC Universe.

A filmmaker like Ava Duvernay at the helm of a New Gods movie is exactly the kind of project that is antithetical to what Snyder was clearly forging with his vision of Justice League and the future Snyderverse.

If they were pushing forward with a project like New Gods that would glaringly contradict the portrayal of Darkseid Snyder created...then that would be a bad thing for Snyder's continuing vision. The fact that New Gods got the axe is an early sign of re-prioritizing from the UPPER corporate level.

Meaning...LIKELY....execs and board members have seen the numbers and response to the Snyder Cut, and are bringing in the WB folks and saying "THIS is the direction we are going to keep going in"

On top of the fact that you have a heavy hitter like Dwayne Johnson wanting to portray Black Adam and face off with Cavill's Superman and Snyder's incarnation of the Justice League.
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Chrispy_G wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Vakanai wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:33 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:15 pm I think they canned New Gods...and I'm GLAD they canned New Gods, because they were going to create a version of Darkseid that was different than Snyder's....and frankly, he did it first, and people responded well to it.

If anything, New Gods being canned means good things for potentially seeing them just roll with Snyder/his films/his version of the character.

Duvernay was not going to make anything worth seeing. She isn't cut out for New Gods. A Wrinkle in Time was awful. She's clearly not really right for genre blockbusters.
...how? How can you be so sure that Synder's vision for the DCEU is coming back, when everyone in a position at WB to know say no?
AT&T purchased WB and formed Warner Media. No matter what the studio level WB execs say...if the upper echelon Warner Media execs tell them to do something like say....release the Snyder Cut to pump up HBOMax....they HAVE to whether they all agree or not.

The upper execs of AT&T, the company that PURCHASED Time Warner, are ultimately the big daddy bosses. Yes, plenty of WB Studio execs got to keep their jobs and relative positions of authority....but just like the Snyder Cut was a Time Warner/AT&T/HBOMax decision and not a "WB Execs" decision....the same would be true for any continuation.

Of COURSE any home-grown internal WB execs would be against it, they don't want to look like they were wrong for changing the film in the first place(They were) and they don't like the idea of the Snyder Cut being so successful or being "forced" to continue it instead of going into their more "radical" reinterpretation of the DC Universe.

A filmmaker like Ava Duvernay at the helm of a New Gods movie is exactly the kind of project that is antithetical to what Snyder was clearly forging with his vision of Justice League and the future Snyderverse.

If they were pushing forward with a project like New Gods that would glaringly contradict the portrayal of Darkseid Snyder created...then that would be a bad thing for Snyder's continuing vision. The fact that New Gods got the axe is an early sign of re-prioritizing from the UPPER corporate level.

Meaning...LIKELY....execs and board members have seen the numbers and response to the Snyder Cut, and are bringing in the WB folks and saying "THIS is the direction we are going to keep going in"

On top of the fact that you have a heavy hitter like Dwayne Johnson wanting to portray Black Adam and face off with Cavill's Superman and Snyder's incarnation of the Justice League.
But what I'm saying is, wouldn't the WB execs be in a position to know - as in wouldn't their higher ups at AT&T informed them to not keep saying this is just a one time deal? But the WB guys are still saying every chance they get that it is a one time deal. AT&T is in charge, but they're also tightly in charge - they wouldn't let the WB guys keep saying that if it wasn't true. Also, New Gods isn't the only movie to get the axe so we don't know what their reasoning for it is. And none of the old slate of intended Snyderverse films have come out of cancellation.

We don't know what AT&T intends to do, or why New Gods was cancelled. There's no sign or evidence that they want to bring back Snyder's vision beyond the JL Cut. Is there anything more substantial?
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Vakanai wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:46 am
Chrispy_G wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:20 pm
Vakanai wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:33 am

...how? How can you be so sure that Synder's vision for the DCEU is coming back, when everyone in a position at WB to know say no?
AT&T purchased WB and formed Warner Media. No matter what the studio level WB execs say...if the upper echelon Warner Media execs tell them to do something like say....release the Snyder Cut to pump up HBOMax....they HAVE to whether they all agree or not.

The upper execs of AT&T, the company that PURCHASED Time Warner, are ultimately the big daddy bosses. Yes, plenty of WB Studio execs got to keep their jobs and relative positions of authority....but just like the Snyder Cut was a Time Warner/AT&T/HBOMax decision and not a "WB Execs" decision....the same would be true for any continuation.

Of COURSE any home-grown internal WB execs would be against it, they don't want to look like they were wrong for changing the film in the first place(They were) and they don't like the idea of the Snyder Cut being so successful or being "forced" to continue it instead of going into their more "radical" reinterpretation of the DC Universe.

A filmmaker like Ava Duvernay at the helm of a New Gods movie is exactly the kind of project that is antithetical to what Snyder was clearly forging with his vision of Justice League and the future Snyderverse.

If they were pushing forward with a project like New Gods that would glaringly contradict the portrayal of Darkseid Snyder created...then that would be a bad thing for Snyder's continuing vision. The fact that New Gods got the axe is an early sign of re-prioritizing from the UPPER corporate level.

Meaning...LIKELY....execs and board members have seen the numbers and response to the Snyder Cut, and are bringing in the WB folks and saying "THIS is the direction we are going to keep going in"

On top of the fact that you have a heavy hitter like Dwayne Johnson wanting to portray Black Adam and face off with Cavill's Superman and Snyder's incarnation of the Justice League.
But what I'm saying is, wouldn't the WB execs be in a position to know - as in wouldn't their higher ups at AT&T informed them to not keep saying this is just a one time deal? But the WB guys are still saying every chance they get that it is a one time deal. AT&T is in charge, but they're also tightly in charge - they wouldn't let the WB guys keep saying that if it wasn't true. Also, New Gods isn't the only movie to get the axe so we don't know what their reasoning for it is. And none of the old slate of intended Snyderverse films have come out of cancellation.

We don't know what AT&T intends to do, or why New Gods was cancelled. There's no sign or evidence that they want to bring back Snyder's vision beyond the JL Cut. Is there anything more substantial?
I suppose I'll just have to say "wait and see". A contradictory Darkseid/New Gods film being GREENLIT would be a bad thing for the future continuation of the Snyderverse. It being cancelled might not necessarily be confirmation of continuing, but it is not as bad as if it went forward and they were basically saying "This New Gods will have our official Darkseid". Yes, The Trench was the other movie canned, that was the Aquaman spin-off meant to be a bit more of a horror film. It sounded quite off-brand to do a project like that as a DC movie and not just as an original concept horror film. I feel like that one was always a long shot to happen anyway, something green-lit purely off of the hype of Aquaman hitting $1 Billion, and not a concept that was actually thoroughly thought through.

That interview with Sarnoff was conducted BEFORE the Snyder Cut actually dropped, you can tell from the phrasing of how she is saying things...it was clearly conducted prior to the Snyder Cut actually dropping.

YES, the WB specific execs are, more or less, not in favor of continuing the Snyderverse, they have their own wild direction they want to go in. They don't want more Cavill Superman, they want Abrams Superman. They don't want Snyder's Justice League 2 and 3, Affleck's HBOMax Batman project.

So for THEM, they saw this as a one time thing, and are actively trying to speak it into existence to be such, and maybe it was conceived that way.

But if the higher ups at Warner Media see the performance of the Snyder Cut, how apparently(because I don't follow Twitter Garbage) #RestoreTheSnyderVerse had more retweets in 24 hours than #AvengersEndgame did or whatever....they see the ratings, they see the web traffic, the YouTube Hits, the positive reception....it doesn't take much more than a meeting and a few phone calls.

I don't see them consistently coming out SINCE the release and saying it is a one-off, just the same news sites and articles regurgitating the same quotes from an interview clearly conducted before it released. That was WB trying to get ahead of it and pour water on the fire of the Snyder Cut. The support for that version can't be doused though.

Nobody knows exactly what will happen, but none of this is final. The only thing we know is we got A VERSION of Darkseid in the Snyder Cut, and then a film with what would have been a conflicting version got canceled almost right after. That certainly isn't bad news for the SndyerVerse even if it isn't overtly good news. We know that Dwayne Johnson and Henry Cavill have the same agent, Johnson is a Producer and not just the star of Black Adam, and he wants to fight Cavill's Superman. He wants to take on Snyder's incarnation of the Justice League.

So...between Ayer, the cast, Johnson, the fans, and clear overall online support....the notion of continuing the SnyderVerse has a lot of hype, momentum, and many allies. The same kind of movement that got Warner Media to step in and mandate the completion of the Snyder Cut in the first place. All the while people kept saying the Snyder Cut "doesn't exist, can't exist, won't ever happen".....so we may easily see history repeat itself.

We will see. To pretend like all of the final decisions have been made and nothing is capable of being altered is pretty ridiculous.

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_JNavs_ wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:24 am
GodzillaFan1990's wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:00 am https://www.gamespot.com/articles/less- ... 0-6489799/

Well that's embarrassing...
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