Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Gojira2K]

Its the 18th. SDCC is today. What glorious news and announcements of MCU Phase 4 will be revealed?

If rumors are to be true Doctor Strange 2 should be next year. If so one of my most anticipated alongside Godzilla vs. Kong, Fast and Furious 9 and Bloodshot (Which better be rated R. We need more R rated superhero films).

I'm just hoping that they announce something that hasn't been rumored, or unofficially announced.

[KManX89]

Its the 18th. SDCC is today. What glorious news and announcements of MCU Phase 4 will be revealed?

If rumors are to be true Doctor Strange 2 should be next year. If so one of my most anticipated alongside Godzilla vs. Kong, Fast and Furious 9 and Bloodshot (Which better be rated R. We need more R rated superhero films).

Don't get your hopes up: Sony is apparently aiming for a PG-13.

A character named Bloodshot without a single drop of blood, makes perfect sense. Of course, this could also be a case of Sony just aiming for a PG-13 release in China and an R-rated cut elsewhere (same shenanigans that got Deadpool 2 a PG-13 cut since China wouldn't show it there), but then again, this IS Sony we're talking about. I wouldn't put it past 'em to water it down full stop just like they did Ghost Rider, another edgy character.

Even though Deadpool 1 and 2 and Logan proved R-rated comic book movies CAN do good business at the box office.

[Maritonic]

A character named Bloodshot without a single drop of blood, makes perfect sense.

You can have blood in a PG-13 movie.

[GodzillaFan1990's]

Don't get your hopes up: Sony is apparently aiming for a PG-13.

A character named Bloodshot without a single drop of blood, makes perfect sense. Of course, this could also be a case of Sony just aiming for a PG-13 release in China and an R-rated cut elsewhere (same shenanigans that got Deadpool 2 a PG-13 cut since China wouldn't show it there), but then again, this IS Sony we're talking about. I wouldn't put it past 'em to water it down full stop just like they did Ghost Rider, another edgy character.

Even though Deadpool 1 and 2 and Logan proved R-rated comic book movies CAN do good business at the box office.

Hurrah for trying to draw in bigger audiences! Joy!!!!

Also can't wait for Warner Bros. to announce and change Joker to PG-13.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

who's Bloodshot.

This isn't a joke, I've never heard of this guy even once in my life.

And y'all think the ratings are the problem with Sony's cinematic universes

[GodzillaFan1990's]

who's Bloodshot.

This isn't a joke, I've never heard of this guy even once in my life.

And y'all think the ratings are the problem with Sony's cinematic universes

Character from the Valiant Comics. Next year is suppose to be their attempt and take on their own superhero cinematic universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodshot_(comics)

[Maritonic]

Oh no! A company is trying to make money!

[KManX89]

Oh no! A company is trying to make money!

Even though Logan and Deadpool proved you can do a proper adaptation of edgier characters and still make money. Psst: they made bank because they were good!

Speaking of Deadpool, Marvel is rumored to be hosting a Deadpool 3 segment at SDCC with Ryan Reynolds appearing. I hope to God it's true!

[Maritonic]

Oh no! A company is trying to make money!

Even though Logan and Deadpool proved you can do a proper adaptation of edgier characters and still make money.

Speaking of Deadpool, Marvel is rumored to be hosting a Deadpool 3 segment at SDCC with Ryan Reynolds appearing. I hope to God it's true!

Dude, I've watched endless debates with you about "ratings do not equal quality". I won't get into it again. I understand limitations with PG-13, however, the film can still be a "proper" adaption of an "edgier" character without being Rated R. I know these aren't the best examples, but the Hellboy films by Del Toro are infinitely better than their new "dark and gritty" rated R counter part.

Ratings do not equal quality. Quality does.

[KManX89]

Oh no! A company is trying to make money!

Even though Logan and Deadpool proved you can do a proper adaptation of edgier characters and still make money.

Speaking of Deadpool, Marvel is rumored to be hosting a Deadpool 3 segment at SDCC with Ryan Reynolds appearing. I hope to God it's true!

Dude, I've watched endless debates with you about "ratings do not equal quality". I won't get into it again. I understand limitations with PG-13, however, the film can still be a "proper" adaption of an "edgier" character without being Rated R. I know these aren't the best examples, but the Hellboy films by Del Toro are infinitely better than their new "dark and gritty" rated R counter part.

Ratings do not equal quality. Quality does.

Hellboy was beyond help, though with all the production troubles and its needless gore (it's literally just there for the sake of it), so not the best example indeed. However, DareDevil got a BIG upgrade with its R-rated Director's Cut, which Fox had to cut an important subplot to avoid an R rating in the first place, so clearly it WAS affected by it. Stay Alive also had 15 minutes of important story material that had to be removed because it was "too violent" for the trimmed-down rating. Everyone who's seen both the theatrical and original unrated cuts agrees the unrated version is vastly superior. Slender Man was literally an incoherent, incomplete mess after it had to be cut to PG-13.

Maybe, just maybe, people are tired of adult films being neutered because it far too often backfires as in the case of these movies and MANY more as explained in this video (a lot of good it did RoboCop and its inherently EXTREMELY violent premise, which was pretty much absent in the PG-13 remake for obvious reasons):

[Maritonic]

Maybe, just maybe, people are tired of adult films being neutered because it far too often backfires as in the case of these movies and MANY more as explained in this video (a lot of good it did RoboCop and its inherently EXTREMELY violent premise, which was pretty much absent in the PG-13 remake for obvious reasons):

Right, yeah but like what I'm saying is Robocop didn't suck because it was PG-13. Robocop sucked because it lost the satirical point of the original.

It's still really simple, though. Films can be excellent if they're PG-13. MPAA Rating =\= Quality of Film. The quality of the film stands on it's own with writing, acting, directing, etc. Just because there is extra blood or cursing doesn't automatically mean the movie will be better if the writing still blows.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Even though Logan and Deadpool proved you can do a proper adaptation of edgier characters and still make money.

Speaking of Deadpool, Marvel is rumored to be hosting a Deadpool 3 segment at SDCC with Ryan Reynolds appearing. I hope to God it's true!

Dude, I've watched endless debates with you about "ratings do not equal quality". I won't get into it again. I understand limitations with PG-13, however, the film can still be a "proper" adaption of an "edgier" character without being Rated R. I know these aren't the best examples, but the Hellboy films by Del Toro are infinitely better than their new "dark and gritty" rated R counter part.

Ratings do not equal quality. Quality does.

Hellboy was beyond help, though with all the production troubles and its needless gore (it's literally just there for the sake of it), so not the best example indeed. However, DareDevil got a BIG upgrade with its R-rated Director's Cut, which Fox had to cut an important subplot to avoid an R rating in the first place, so clearly it WAS affected by it. Stay Alive also had 15 minutes of important story material that had to be removed because it was "too violent" for the trimmed-down rating. Everyone who's seen both the theatrical and original unrated cuts agrees the unrated version is vastly superior. Slender Man was literally an incoherent, incomplete mess after it had to be cut to PG-13.

Maybe, just maybe, people are tired of adult films being neutered because it far too often backfires as in the case of these movies and MANY more as explained in this video (a lot of good it did RoboCop and its inherently EXTREMELY violent premise, which was pretty much absent in the PG-13 remake for obvious reasons):

watch?v=O-NeJRrgoTY

Can I just say first off, that using a video made by someone else as the clinch of your argument is a absolute sign you have no fucking argument at all and you're just hoping this video will solve it for you is pathetic. The fact you've used that same video 8 times is even sadder.

The main point though is the same one we've made 80 other fucking times: MOVIE QUALITY IS WHAT MATTERS, NOT HOW GORY IT IS. For example, Robocop failed because it completely ignored the satirical options of the original and made a straight faced blockbuster. Also, exactly how many ADULT projects are being released as "neutered" 2013 ones. Oh wait, none, you just like to act like comic book characters who have been able to appear in literally any type of media with any rating have to be mature because if it's not edgy, it's shit.

But I mean, you just defended a piece of shit like Slender Man so that makes sense.

[eabaker]

And examples where a movie was shot for an R rating and then cut down to get the PG-13 have little-to-no bearing on a conversations about movies being shot with the intention of a PG-13 from the get-go. Of course radically reworking a movie in post-production for marketing reasons unrelated to and without concern for story will damage the end product.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

And examples where a movie was shot for an R rating and then cut down to get the PG-13 have little-to-no bearing on a conversations about movies being shot with the intention of a PG-13 from the get-go. Of course radically reworking a movie in post-production for marketing reasons unrelated to and without concern for story will damage the end product.

THANK YOU.

and describing it way better and more eloquent then I could lol.

[goji89]

Wait......? This still going? Thought after Endgame they were done?.......huh.......guess the utter still has a few drops.

[KManX89]

And examples where a movie was shot for an R rating and then cut down to get the PG-13 have little-to-no bearing on a conversations about movies being shot with the intention of a PG-13 from the get-go. Of course radically reworking a movie in post-production for marketing reasons unrelated to and without concern for story will damage the end product.

RoboCop 2014 was made with the intention of PG-13 from the get-go, it didn't exactly pan out (shocking). A movie about a crime-ridden hellhole dystopia on the verge of collapsing is pretty much tailor-made to be R, and a hard R at that. The 2014 remake showed how limited they were in showcasing the whole gang violence aspect, which is an important part of any RoboCop movie. The closest thing we get to a heist in the whole movie is a guy wanted for murder, arson and rape who was stupid enough to attend the RoboCop unveiling for plot convenience.

Hell, it had the same 2 writers as the original RoboCop, which had to be cut and resubmitted numerous times just to barely slip by with an R rating. They couldn't even make it work PG-13. So yes, it CAN affect quality depending on the movie in question. Some movies just shouldn't be sanitized. The movies I mentioned had to have important plot points removed because they were deemed too excessive for PG-13 (hell, the DareDevil movie barely avoided an R rating even with the cut Coolio subplot and trimmed violence). Imagine a Tropic Thunder where Les Grossman weren't allowed to drop F bombs, would the Flaming Dragon cell phone scene be as funny? HELL NO!

And I guar-damn-tee you this scene wouldn't be nearly as good if they had to shaky cam/jump cut it because, PG-13:

[Mac Daddy MM]

Wait......? This still going? Thought after Endgame they were done?.......huh.......guess the utter still has a few drops.

Lmao. They just got the rights for X-Men and Fantastic Four. Dude, buckle up. Phases 1-3 were just the beginning.

[goji89]

Wait......? This still going? Thought after Endgame they were done?.......huh.......guess the utter still has a few drops.

Lmao. They just got the rights for X-Men and Fantastic Four. Dude, buckle up. Phases 1-3 were just the beginning.

It's evolving.

[eabaker]

So yes, it CAN affect quality depending on the movie in question.

Never said it COULDN'T...

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

Avengers: Endgame would have dethroned Avatar if it was rated R. Change my view.