DC Cinematic Universe

[Tyrant_Lizard_King]

It's set in Arkham so maybe it's about Harley studying Joker and her evolution into her villainous persona. Also, while not actual DCEU, sounds like Harley Quinn, Titans, and Doom Patrol are getting the axe as well. Discovery it seems has absolutely no interest in TV shows, just theatrical movies. Guess the Monarch show is lucky it's on AppleTV instead of HBOmax.

[miguelnuva]

It's set in Arkham so maybe it's about Harley studying Joker and her evolution into her villainous persona. Also, while not actual DCEU, sounds like Harley Quinn, Titans, and Doom Patrol are getting the axe as well. Discovery it seems has absolutely no interest in TV shows, just theatrical movies. Guess the Monarch show is lucky it's on AppleTV instead of HBOmax.

Monarch is on apple because its not a WB property and thus can't be canceled at their beck and call.

[CyberZilla]

I really hope Harley isn’t cancelled, but if it is, that’s a damn shame. Feels weird that shows could get the axe like that. I understand the need for cohesion in the universe, but killing these shows that were already explicitly separate from the movies feels unnecessary, especially since they have their own audiences and could bring in more fans.

[CrimsonBloodX]

Cancelling Batgirl despite being at least almost completed. Wow. That is just....awful. Even if the movie was probably going to be bad, no movie deserved a fate like this. I hope this movie will have another chance someday in the near future.

Having Joker: Folie à Deux be a musical with Lady Gaga is....ugh. I just hope the movie is better than what I'm picturing in my head.

Also, take a look at this:
https://twitter.com/miakhalifa/status/1 ... 7348521984

Mia Khalifa actually supporting the "Release the Ayer Cut" movement. What a timeline we are living in.

[eabaker]

I do not get people's bizarre, knee-jerk negative reaction to the idea of the Joker sequel being a musical.

The musical is a genre with a rich and varied history and incredible expressive potential. The filmmakers are treating this as subject matter worthy of examination through an array of artistic lenses. This is a sign that these characters are being given the kind of respect and creativity that they deserve.

[miguelnuva]

I do not get people's bizarre, knee-jerk negative reaction to the idea of the Joker sequel being a musical.

The musical is a genre with a rich and varied history and incredible expressive potential. The filmmakers are treating this as subject matter worthy of examination through an array of artistic lenses. This is a sign that these characters are being given the kind of respect and creativity that they deserve.

Someone on Twitter got pissed off because they said Lady Gaga can is one of the worst actresses in Hollywood and I told them this is a musical and she's Oscar nominated with an oscar winning co star and a great director on this film.

[JAGzilla]

Harley Quinn is one of those characters that requires an ability to act. Singing talent alone won't cut it. Not that I have any experience with Lady Gaga's acting, so I'll reserve judgement. Just saying.

I think a musical is a great idea, though. I don't know how well a conventional sequel to Joker would have worked, so taking things in a wildly different direction makes sense. I'm glad to see creative chances being taken.

[Houndoom]

I do not get people's bizarre, knee-jerk negative reaction to the idea of the Joker sequel being a musical.

The musical is a genre with a rich and varied history and incredible expressive potential. The filmmakers are treating this as subject matter worthy of examination through an array of artistic lenses. This is a sign that these characters are being given the kind of respect and creativity that they deserve.

Some people just don't enjoy musicals though. And it's bizarre, knee jerk switch in genre from the last movie. While I'm still excited for it and can totally imagine some actual good scenes with emotion like you're describing; it's just a random genre switch up. It's like turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy.

[eabaker]

I do not get people's bizarre, knee-jerk negative reaction to the idea of the Joker sequel being a musical.

The musical is a genre with a rich and varied history and incredible expressive potential. The filmmakers are treating this as subject matter worthy of examination through an array of artistic lenses. This is a sign that these characters are being given the kind of respect and creativity that they deserve.

Some people just don't enjoy musicals though. And it's bizarre, knee jerk switch in genre from the last movie. While I'm still excited for it and can totally imagine some actual good scenes with emotion like you're describing; it's just a random genre switch up. It's like turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy.

It's fine to not enjoy musicals, but it's another thing to treat them as something inherently bad or cringy.

And I don't see it as a particularly bizarre switch from the last movie, which was very much about a character's twisted, subjective view of reality.

Turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy is not the same thing at all, because that's a difference in tone and subject matter. Making it a musical is a change in form, and does not necessarily indicate and shift in narrative or thematic content.

A better point of comparison, to stick with slashers as an example, might be the distinct shift in visual and editorial style between the first two Friday the 13th movies, with the original's rough hewn naturalism giving way to the precise formal technique of the second. If anything, the introduction of a more explicitly expressionistic style to Joker is more internally motivated, as the character is letting loose his lingering grip on reality and giving in entirely to madness and delusion; there were moments at the end of Joker that could have transitioned into a musical quite organically.

[Houndoom]

I do not get people's bizarre, knee-jerk negative reaction to the idea of the Joker sequel being a musical.

The musical is a genre with a rich and varied history and incredible expressive potential. The filmmakers are treating this as subject matter worthy of examination through an array of artistic lenses. This is a sign that these characters are being given the kind of respect and creativity that they deserve.

Some people just don't enjoy musicals though. And it's bizarre, knee jerk switch in genre from the last movie. While I'm still excited for it and can totally imagine some actual good scenes with emotion like you're describing; it's just a random genre switch up. It's like turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy.

It's fine to not enjoy musicals, but it's another thing to treat them as something inherently bad or cringy.

And I don't see it as a particularly bizarre switch from the last movie, which was very much about a character's twisted, subjective view of reality.

Turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy is not the same thing at all, because that's a difference in tone and subject matter. Making it a musical is a change in form, and does not necessarily indicate and shift in narrative or thematic content.

A better point of comparison, to stick with slashers as an example, might be the distinct shift in visual and editorial style between the first two Friday the 13th movies, with the original's rough hewn naturalism giving way to the precise formal technique of the second. If anything, the introduction of a more explicitly expressionistic style to Joker is more internally motivated, as the character is letting loose his lingering grip on reality and giving in entirely to madness and delusion; there were moments at the end of Joker that could have transitioned into a musical quite organically.

While I get what you mean, there just isn't many musicals the general audience has to go off of to think this will be good. I seriously cant think of a recent musical at all without googling ones and the ones I see are literal whos and Disney plus stuff. Maybe if they were more common and popular there wouldn't be this stigma for this movie.

And regardless if it is bizarre or not for a Joker movie, it's still bizarre in general for any movie to do such. And I think that's where people are upset with, instead of getting more of what they like, they're getting something really different.

I'm 50/50 on it, you make good points on the expression, but I do fall into that bunch that thinks it's just cringy for some serious moment to turn into a song and dance scene. Who knows maybe you can recommend some actual good musicals to change my mind because all that come to mind is High School Musical and Grease, and wasn't one called Hair Spray?

[JAGzilla]

A slasher movie/romantic comedy is something that really needs to exist, actually.

[eabaker]

Who knows maybe you can recommend some actual good musicals to change my mind because all that come to mind is High School Musical and Grease, and wasn't one called Hair Spray?

Here is what I posted for another user a couple of months back when we were discussing whether a musical can work as a serious character study:

Okay, thinking about serious and character-centric musicals, the best example that came to mind was Cabaret, which is about the social and political situation in Germany during the early rise of the Nazi party.

Rent is another one that looks at very serious real-world situations.

While it's a little lighter in tone, South Pacific is another character-driven musical which doesn't shy away from the serious aspects of its WW2 setting.

Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, with its dark satirical tone and greater focus on a single central character, is also potentially a pretty good point of reference for something like Joker, though there I would caution to avoid the Tim Burton movie - which strips away a lot of the characterization and depth - and look instead at the stage version.

Likewise, while it's definitely a sillier piece, Little Shop of Horrors does a pretty good job of exploring the mindset that leads its troubled protagonist down a particularly dark path (though, again, the stage version exemplifies this far better than the movie, not least of all because the movie eliminates some songs with introspective elements like "Now [It's Just the Gas"] and "The Meek Shall Inherit").

[UltramanGoji]

I don't dabble much in musicals but Tick Tick Boom was another musical film I thought worked really well as a character study on the real life Jonathan Larson (same writer behind Rent).

[Houndoom]

Here is what I posted for another user a couple of months back when we were discussing whether a musical can work as a serious character study:

Okay, thinking about serious and character-centric musicals, the best example that came to mind was Cabaret, which is about the social and political situation in Germany during the early rise of the Nazi party.

Rent is another one that looks at very serious real-world situations.

While it's a little lighter in tone, South Pacific is another character-driven musical which doesn't shy away from the serious aspects of its WW2 setting.

Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, with its dark satirical tone and greater focus on a single central character, is also potentially a pretty good point of reference for something like Joker, though there I would caution to avoid the Tim Burton movie - which strips away a lot of the characterization and depth - and look instead at the stage version.

Likewise, while it's definitely a sillier piece, Little Shop of Horrors does a pretty good job of exploring the mindset that leads its troubled protagonist down a particularly dark path (though, again, the stage version exemplifies this far better than the movie, not least of all because the movie eliminates some songs with introspective elements like "Now [It's Just the Gas"] and "The Meek Shall Inherit").

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Appreciate the list I'll have to give some a watch!

Does anyone have hope for Black Adam? His cocky attitude and him wanting a "Black Adam DC Universe" is raising a lot of red flags for me.

[Angilasman]

Really wild how the new management of WB reads like a Simpsons parody of moronic executives. Hope TCM, Warner Archive, and adult swim will emerge unscathed.

[Jermobooka]

Went to go watch DC League Of Superpets on a whim recently.

It was…actually pretty good. It felt more like a Justice League movie than the actual Justice League movie that we got twice.

[Vakanai]

Some people just don't enjoy musicals though. And it's bizarre, knee jerk switch in genre from the last movie. While I'm still excited for it and can totally imagine some actual good scenes with emotion like you're describing; it's just a random genre switch up. It's like turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy.

It's fine to not enjoy musicals, but it's another thing to treat them as something inherently bad or cringy.

And I don't see it as a particularly bizarre switch from the last movie, which was very much about a character's twisted, subjective view of reality.

Turning a slasher flick into a romantic comedy is not the same thing at all, because that's a difference in tone and subject matter. Making it a musical is a change in form, and does not necessarily indicate and shift in narrative or thematic content.

A better point of comparison, to stick with slashers as an example, might be the distinct shift in visual and editorial style between the first two Friday the 13th movies, with the original's rough hewn naturalism giving way to the precise formal technique of the second. If anything, the introduction of a more explicitly expressionistic style to Joker is more internally motivated, as the character is letting loose his lingering grip on reality and giving in entirely to madness and delusion; there were moments at the end of Joker that could have transitioned into a musical quite organically.

While I get what you mean, there just isn't many musicals the general audience has to go off of to think this will be good. I seriously cant think of a recent musical at all without googling ones and the ones I see are literal whos and Disney plus stuff. Maybe if they were more common and popular there wouldn't be this stigma for this movie.

And regardless if it is bizarre or not for a Joker movie, it's still bizarre in general for any movie to do such. And I think that's where people are upset with, instead of getting more of what they like, they're getting something really different.

I'm 50/50 on it, you make good points on the expression, but I do fall into that bunch that thinks it's just cringy for some serious moment to turn into a song and dance scene. Who knows maybe you can recommend some actual good musicals to change my mind because all that come to mind is High School Musical and Grease, and wasn't one called Hair Spray?

You're missing the best musical of all time, The Blues Brothers.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

It's an affront to society that none of you have yet mentioned Rocky Horror Picture Show.

A plague on both your houses.

[eabaker]

It's an affront to society that none of you have yet mentioned Rocky Horror Picture Show.

A plague on both your houses.

I'd much sooner mention Phantom of the Paradise.

[miguelnuva]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.co ... 36304/amp/

I think Miller is trying to get the film canceled at this point.