Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby SpaceG92 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:23 am

Goji wrote:They'll never disappear as long as the as the internet exists

^ I mean, this goes for practically anything lol.

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Let's please not cuss out members. If someone is derailing a thread, or the conversation is starting to go off course or <reason to report here>, hit the report button instead of telling a user to go fly a kite.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Chrispy_G » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:09 pm

Yes sure, bootlegs of everything will always exist for the extremely low number of people interested/willing to go that route to watch a version of something they want to see.

But as far as the legal, official releases go...none of the fans, casual or hardcore, who buy officially released material will likely ever see any US versions outside of KOTM, KK v G(because we only seem to be able to get the US version for now), the US versions on the Classic Media DVDs, and G2K.

Although I do hope that hopefully one day Return of Godzilla and Godzilla 1985 get the same kind of special edition release that Criterion gave to the original film.

But I'm betting future Blu Ray(or, lord willing, 4K Blu Ray) releases will have more and more of a focus on the original cuts, and international dubs.

I'm just being practical, Toho will shell out to clean up and restore THEIR versions and likely make them available to US distribs who are interested in doing new releases....but those same US distribs are unlikely to give two shakes about spending such time/money/effort in restoring the US versions in the same way. OUTSIDE of a select few US versions like KOTM, G2K....maybe KKvG and 1985(if those rights issues are ever cleared up)...

Maybe if someone can convert some crazy billionaire into being a super die-hard kaiju fan...we'll get ultimate releases with every version and every dub/sub option available...all restored and cleaned up with the utmost care and respect. But again, we have to be practical here. "Bootlegs for life" when it comes to most of that stuff.
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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Goji » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:07 am

You're like a broken record. The above post is full of things you've already said about a dozen times already. All of this poop is common sense.

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Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:05 am

At this point he's probably just being deliberately obtuse.
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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Terasawa » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:52 am

Can we change the title to "Comprehensive Guide to Hating Anything but the Original Japanese Versions," please? :roll:
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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Chrispy_G » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:27 am

I don't hate anything but the original Japanese versions.

I really like King of the Monsters, Godzilla vs The Thing, and Godzilla 2000. Heck even Ghidrah the three headed monster is pretty solid, and Monster Zero.

It is Godzilla Raids Again and King Kong vs Godzilla that I really dislike...and the notion of considering Godzilla vs Hedorah with a different English dub and "Save the Earth" as a genuine, worthwhile, alternate version of the film.
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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby SpaceG92 » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:11 am

A'ight. As per the threads original post regarding the point of this topic, see below;
This guide is meant to organize all known English versions of the Toho-produced films into one comprehensive list. It is useful for new fans and people who are wondering exactly what English version they have. If you are confused by all the different English versions or know little to nothing about them, this guide simplifies matters. Basic information is included for each version.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Great Hierophant » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:24 pm

Best Official Versions of Theatrical/TV Releases :

Godzilla, King of the Monsters - Criterion Blu-ray

Gigantis the Fire Monster - Video Treasures VHS/Classic Media 2006 DVD/Toho Blu
Title Card/U.S. Alterations & Audio/Japanese Common Footage

King Kong vs. Godzilla - Universal Blu-ray

Godzilla vs. the Thing - Scimitar DVD/Toho Blu
Full Widescreen/Japanese Common Footage

Ghidrah, the Three-Headed Monster - Video Treasures or Anchor Bay VHS/Classic Media 2006 DVD/Toho Blu
True U.S. Print Scan/U.S. Alterations & Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Monster Zero - Scimitar DVD/Classic Media 2006 DVD/Toho Blu
True U.S. Print Scan/U.S. Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla versus the Sea Monster - Video Treasures or GoodTimes VHS/Kraken Blu-ray
True U.S. Print Scan, Alterations and Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Son of Godzilla - Video Treasures or Anchor Bay VHS/Toho Blu
True U.S. Print Scan, Alterations and Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Destroy All Monsters - Kraken 2011 Blu-ray
AIP Dub Audio, Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla's Revenge - Scimitar DVD/Classic Media 2006 DVD/Toho Blu
True U.S. Print Scan/U.S. Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster - Orion VHS/Kraken Blu-ray
True U.S. Print Scan & Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla on Monster Island - Family Tyme VHS/Kraken Blu-ray
Title Card & Credits & Edits/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla vs. Megalon - Alpha Video DVD/Media Blasters "Mistake" DVD/Media Blasters Blu-ray
U.S. Edit Reference/Title Card & Credits & Edits/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla vs. the Cosmic Monster - GoodTimes VHS/Toho Blu
Title Card & Credits & Edits/Japanese Common Footage

Terror of Godzilla/Terror of Mechagodzilla - Classic Media 2002 DVD/Classic Media 2006 DVD/Toho Blu
True U.S. Print Scan/U.S. Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla 1985 - New World Pictures LD/Kraken Blu
U.S Alterations & Audio/Japanese Common Footage

Godzilla 2000 - Sony Blu-ray

From Ghidrah onward, reconstructions rear themselves. For Ghidrah, Monster Zero, Revenge and Terror, Classic Media used the Toho Japanese source wherever possible. Errors have been pointed out. While the old VHS tapes looked horrible and were panned and scanned, they were scanned from a true U.S. source. The U.S. TV or theatrical dubs for Sea Monster, Son, Smog Monster are only available in this form.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Goji » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:26 am

Hey GH, thanks for posting. This is definitely useful for the uninitiated, but I do have a couple of questions.

-Why are the Japanese (Toho) Blu-Ray's mentioned?
-What exactly do you mean by "Japanese Common Footage"?
-Why is the Kraken Blu of ROG mentioned, since it doesn't include G'85?

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Great Hierophant » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:34 pm

My idea was to put together a set of materials that would allow you to build your own English version using the best materials available. So, to take Gigantis the Fire Monster, if you want the footage in common between the U.S. and Japanese versions, you take the Toho Blu-ray (or the German one, it's cheaper :) But you need the Classic Media DVD for the English audio and the little bits (prologue, Dino footage, stock footage) and the VHS for the Gigantis the Fire Monster title. I didn't go further than the official sources.

Japanese common footage means that footage used in both the U.S. and Japanese versions. The best quality for that footage can usually be found on the Japanese Blu-rays at present. If Toho does a 4K scan of the Godzilla series, then there will be newer, higher quality materials.

Toho or Kraken's Blu would do equally well for G1985, Kraken's is much, much cheaper. The MonstersHD recording is the best available version for the U.S. bits, but it was not officially released on video, so the Laserdisc comes next. The Laserdisc really isn't useful for a fan reconstruction because it is Pan & Scan. I'm not sure there is an AIP Smog Monster version available that is not Pan and Scan.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby dannydangle » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:58 pm

I made a similar list about collecting the best releases of every version of every godzilla film. It's here if anyone is interested or wants to give suggestions: https://rateyourmusic.com/list/wizenhymer/collecting-godzilla-every-version-of-every-film/

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Great Hierophant » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:54 pm

I made a somewhat different blog entry regarding the International versions as can be found on the most recent U.S. release of each film :

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/201 ... ssion.html

Warning, picture heavy.

A couple of questions :

1. What happened to the original credits on the Destroy All Monster releases? They are gone in the Media Blasters Blu-ray and the ADV Films DVD I own. What do they look like?

2. Does anyone have a picture of the International title for GvMGII?

3. Are the overlaid International titles on GvKG and GvM as non-descript as they appear on the Godzilla wiki? Those seem more appropriate for a P&S video release than a theatrical print.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Goji » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:25 am

Great Hierophant wrote:I made a somewhat different blog entry regarding the International versions as can be found on the most recent U.S. release of each film :

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/201 ... ssion.html

Just so you know, as genuine as they may look initially, Son of Godzilla
actually doesn't feature the original English credits. I believe they're seen on an old Castilian release. The title card isn't the original either, though they tried pretty hard to faithfully recreate it, I'll give them that. Here's the original.

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(There are other discrepancies in the blog post about the other films, but I'll have to address them later since I have to leave for work in a few minutes)

A couple of questions :

1. What happened to the original credits on the Destroy All Monster releases? They are gone in the Media Blasters Blu-ray and the ADV Films DVD I own. What do they look like?

It's the same title card as seen in your blog post, just from a different source (so a lot less discolored and with different source damage).

2. Does anyone have a picture of the International title for GvMGII?

Nope. It's never turned up. Even the Hindi version of the film, which uses the original English credits and inserts, had it replaced by a fade to a video generated "Jurassic City" title card. Had they not done that, we would have seen it there.

3. Are the overlaid International titles on GvKG and GvM as non-descript as they appear on the Godzilla wiki? Those seem more appropriate for a P&S video release than a theatrical print.
I don't ever visit the awful Godzilla wiki, so I don't know, but if this is them, then the answer is yes.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Great Hierophant » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:22 pm

The Godzilla wiki has almost all the International Titles, so it can't be that bad :)

I'm still on the fence about SoG, the cast and crew credits look untouched. I find it weird though that there are no contemporary cast and crew credits for DAM on either disc.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Goji » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:29 am

Great Hierophant wrote: I'm still on the fence about SoG, the cast and crew credits look untouched.

They're not the originals. Nothing to be on the fence about.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Terasawa » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:20 am

Great Hierophant wrote: I find it weird though that there are no contemporary cast and crew credits for DAM on either disc.


What do you mean? Are you aware that the credits don't immediately follow the title? They're placed after the SY3 launch in the Japanese and international versions. (AIP moved them to the end of the film.)

Edit: as for Son, Goji is right, the TriStar DVD has new credits.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Great Hierophant » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:28 am

Terasawa wrote:
Great Hierophant wrote: I find it weird though that there are no contemporary cast and crew credits for DAM on either disc.


What do you mean? Are you aware that the credits don't immediately follow the title? They're placed after the SY3 launch in the Japanese and international versions. (AIP moved them to the end of the film.)

Edit: as for Son, Goji is right, the TriStar DVD has new credits.

Export

TriStar

The end titles are different, too: export vs. TriStar


I can't believe that I had completely forgotten where the credits were supposed to be for DAM! So many films, so much to process.

I now accept that SoG's credits were remade, the ones you show from earlier sources have much larger text sizes and the typeface is not an exact match (the "t" is a good example). Corrections will be made. Interestingly, the letter size for the redone SoG is much smaller than what Tristar did for its predecessor.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Ron Burton » Thu May 03, 2018 1:31 pm

The first Mechagodzilla movie played theatrically in late 1976 rather than March of 1977, as is commonly reported, as GODZILLA VS. BIONIC MONSTER, though the announcer in the TV spot called it GODZILLA VS. THE BIONIC MONSTER. I'm certain as to the time of release because that's when I saw it on the big screen. I relish the memory and enjoyed the all-too-infrequent TV showings of it, later in the early 80s under the COSMIC MONSTER title. From the opening Cinema Shares logo accompanied by the sound of drums to the final scene of the King Seesar statue, it was most enjoyable.

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Re: Comprehensive Guide to Toho's English Versions

Postby Terasawa » Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:27 pm

Ron Burton wrote:The first Mechagodzilla movie played theatrically in late 1976 rather than March of 1977, as is commonly reported, as GODZILLA VS. BIONIC MONSTER, though the announcer in the TV spot called it GODZILLA VS. THE BIONIC MONSTER. I'm certain as to the time of release because that's when I saw it on the big screen. I relish the memory and enjoyed the all-too-infrequent TV showings of it, later in the early 80s under the COSMIC MONSTER title. From the opening Cinema Shares logo accompanied by the sound of drums to the final scene of the King Seesar statue, it was most enjoyable.


Proof that the movie was being shown in November and December 1976, at least on a limited basis (mostly in North Carolina). It was in wide release as "Bionic Monster" in February 1977, later as "Cosmic Monster" starting in July.

From the November 20, 1976 issue of the Statesville Record and Landmark (Statesville, NC):
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