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I don't think BioS is a whole hell of a lot worse than many other films in the Toho canon. I think Tsuburaya's half is really strong, and it also has maybe Ifukube's best tokusatsu score propelling it from beginning to end. I like it. Shame that the script they shot was as bad as it was.
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KK42 wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 3:15 pm It’s nothing more than a special effects spectacle with not a shred of meat or substance to either its story or its characters. And that would be fine, if not for the fact that the SFX scenes are extraordinarily dull and uninspired, save for some of the destruction scenes in the last five minutes of the film. I can’t stress enough how boring the movie is.
Agreed that it's bare-bones spectacle, but amusingly enough, I actually really liked everything up until the last five minutes. The invasion of Earth was the part that bored me. It was flashy, but just rendered the rest of the movie pointless.
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I've gotten so used to the Singular Point version of Jet Jaguar that the Showa suit's face looks off.

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Re: BioS (again), I'd caution against saying it hasn't a "shred of substance." I think, as with a lot of the early tokusatsu films, there are themes and allusions that might best be interpreted through the lens of Japanese culture. Obviously that can be difficult if you're not Japanese, because otherwise the references seem cryptic or confusing. In the case of BioS, I don't think the moon was chosen just for its proximity to Earth. I think it's because Japanese culture holds many traditional beliefs about the moon (that's also true of probably every human culture).

On the eve of the expedition to the moon, as Katsumiya and Etsuko lay under the night sky and view the full moon. Etsuko describes the moon romantically, describing its beauty and referring to the Tsuki no Usagi and Taketori Monogatari folktales. Furthermore, Etsuko's admiration of the beauty of the moon is an allusion to a poetic expression of romantic love, as explained here. Katsumiya instead is absorbed by the reality of the moon, specifically that there are alien beings on it mounting an invasion of the Earth. To Etsuko, he says, "I wonder if mankind will eventually lose such feelings of beauty."

It's not coincidental that Sekizawa places this discussion on the characters' final night before entering space. They fear not only what the Natal will do to their world but also what exploration and the resultant knowledge will do to it. It's a discussion about the romance of opening the door and taking the first steps into the last frontier unknown to mankind. This scene is absolutely symbolic of the anxiety of losing old tradition and possibly even emotion itself to an increasingly scientific and rational world -- the movie isn't even trying to hide that. This is also why Etsuko gets so upset with Katsumiya: their world will change (literally and figuratively) overnight, and when she worries that their love for each other might change with it, he can only crack a (lame) joke.

I think the moon might have also been an attractive location for the filmmakers because of the moon's importance in the Zen school, where the moon represents enlightenment. Going to the moon in this film has the effect of forcing the characters to confront their traditional beliefs. The journey to the moon can, in a way, represent the loss of mankind's innocence. I don't know if that was the intent but I do like that idea because I think it philosophically mirrors Earth's Pyrrhic victory after repulsing the Natal. I also submit as evidence Ifukube's closing composition, which ends the film with an ambiguous and possibly mournful chord. :)
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I think Kiryu is slowly rising my ranks of favourite designs of any character in the franchise.
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Voyager wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:47 pm I think Kiryu is slowly rising my ranks of favourite designs of any character in the franchise.
Damn, are our roles reversing???

I’m starting to like Showa MG and Showa in general more and more and here you are betraying Showa for Kiryu :lol:
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Jermobooka wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:24 pm
Voyager wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:47 pm I think Kiryu is slowly rising my ranks of favourite designs of any character in the franchise.
Damn, are our roles reversing???

I’m starting to like Showa MG and Showa in general more and more and here you are betraying Showa for Kiryu :lol:
Noticed how me, you and Breakdown are becoming MG’s just now.

Funny, isn’t it?

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Showa MG has quite the magnetic personality.
Are you saying that I put an abnormal brain into a 7 1/2 foot long, 54 inch wide....Gorilla! Is that what you're telling me?

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This is becoming the Kaiju Fan Puns thread and that scares me
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I haven't seen 'Godzilla: Singular Point' yet, and don't plan to do so until the english dub is released.

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Leviarex wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:03 am I haven't seen 'Godzilla: Singular Point' yet, and don't plan to do so until the english dub is released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwzYnN6-Ek
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I won't be watching until it hits Netflix. Not sure if I'll go dubbed or subbed; I guess it'll depend whether my younger brother and sister end up watching with me. Neither of them are big on subs.

Anyway, three days to go...
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My original plan was to wait for the official Western Netflix release, but as more time passes, the more I grow unsure if I actually want to see this.
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JAGzilla wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:05 am I won't be watching until it hits Netflix. Not sure if I'll go dubbed or subbed; I guess it'll depend whether my younger brother and sister end up watching with me. Neither of them are big on subs.

Anyway, three days to go...
Same… although with every day my interest shrinks.
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Voyager wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:16 pm
JAGzilla wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:05 am I won't be watching until it hits Netflix. Not sure if I'll go dubbed or subbed; I guess it'll depend whether my younger brother and sister end up watching with me. Neither of them are big on subs.

Anyway, three days to go...
Same… although with every day my interest shrinks.
Why? I haven't been keeping up with news or discussion because I want to avoid spoilers. Is it getting bad reviews or something?
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JAGzilla wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:58 pm
Voyager wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:16 pm
JAGzilla wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:05 am I won't be watching until it hits Netflix. Not sure if I'll go dubbed or subbed; I guess it'll depend whether my younger brother and sister end up watching with me. Neither of them are big on subs.

Anyway, three days to go...
Same… although with every day my interest shrinks.
Why? I haven't been keeping up with news or discussion because I want to avoid spoilers. Is it getting bad reviews or something?
I really don’t know… It has just faded towards the back in my mind.
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So what you want about the other films but I'd argue the first 3 Heisei Godzilla films and Destroyah tell a nice 4 film story that is on par or even slightly better than the Heisei Gamera trilogy. There are a few loose ends in Destroyah by losing the other 3 films but those 4 are great.
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I haven't watched SP yet either, and can agree its just sort of been off my radar. That said, I am looking forward to checking it out when it arrives on Netflix this week. Modern anime REALLY isn't my bag, but I'll hopefully find at least some things to enjoy in it.
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