goji89 wrote: NSZ wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:I agree. Even if I don`t like the film, it`s still Godzilla. Trying to take the name away is childish. GINO is the dumbest poop ever.
For all it`s faults, I do appreciate how 98 has a consistent anti-nuke message. It was also relevant with french nuclear testing. While Godzilla in that film is weak, and the film is bad overall, I think 98`s origin is a fantastic way to "update" the character.
I'm sorry, but what?
It absolutely was not. The notion of the monster being radioactive in any
capacity was completely forgotten about after Panama. It's no more anti-nuke than The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms
(I would like to take this time to prohibit this comment from being used in any future "DAE G'98 has more in common with Beast" argument. Violators will be smacked). The Giant Behemoth
is more consistently anti-nuke, and that movie solved its monster problem with more
Thing is, mishandled message and "glorification of nukes" or no, the people of Toho themselves have stated that
they're happy with the westernized blockbusters and love the new Hollywood Godzilla and are honored that we made our own version of the monster, whereas they hated G98 so much that they didn't even allow it to keep the name Godzilla and changed it to Zilla, even having the real Godzilla curbstomp it in Final Wars.
If you think you know better than Toho themselves on how faithful or respectful this incarnation of Godzilla is, I won't really judge because that's your opinion, but just don't spout any bull like KOTM "is an insult to the franchise" or "it's impossible to love both Shin and KOTM in good faith". I myself don't think the message was glorifying nukes, it was more about glorifying the character Godzilla himself (who in this incarnation is not a monster born from the sins of man, but a guardian of nature and a god who Serizawa sacrificed himself to) and honoring the franchise's nuclear roots. It's sort of a tribute and homage to the franchise's birth itself, not the tragic events that lead to the franchise's birth. Sure it's handled badly, but I don't see any sort of insulting or offensive imagery here.
LSD, I remember when you made a topic on "KOTM and Shin, let's appreciate everything", assured us that everyone on TK would love this movie (just a white lie to cheer us up, but still), said that you were happy with the movie and appreciated what Mr. Doughery did, and said that you had a feeling that while people would admit it's not exactly a well-made masterpiece, they would remember it fondly.
Heck, you even said this:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:I certainly don’t think this harms the series in any capacity.
Back here in the member review thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28633&start=340#p1657230
And yet now you just despise this movie as a stain on the good name of the franchise or something and say that it's one of the worst Godzillas ever, worse than G98 even. What changed?