GuardianGhido wrote: LSD Jellyfish wrote:
JAGzilla wrote:While I won't argue that KOTM's nuclear element runs very contrary to Toho's, is it such a bad thing that an American Godzilla film presents an American viewpoint on this issue? Why make Godzilla films here if they're just going to be carbon copies of the Japanese ones? And it isn't like there isn't a legitimate case to be made for nuclear weapons being a semi-good thing. For all the tragedy and horror of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan may well owe its current existence as an independent nation to the fact that wars between major powers are currently made impossible by Mutually Assured Destruction.
The execution was shoddy, though, for sure.
I’m not going to even attempt to answer the latter point other then you can make that point for every horrible event and history(and thus it’s a cop out defense); but in regards to the first point;
Yeah, American Godzilla films, or anything by non Japanese studios IMO should not be carbon copies of Japanese ones. The issue is though, that rather then try and do their own thing, while being RESPECTFUL, they’ve kind of ran contrary to the thematic intent of the franchise.
OK so you agree that KOTM was respectful but still worse than the disrespectful G98? I'm not getting this.
KOTM is worse thematically than G’98, because some of its thematic intent is insulting to actual people when you really begin to think about it.
KOTM is trying to be respectful by including a lot of stereotypical Godzilla things, and the inclusion of other Toho monsters. In that regard it’s way more entertaining. But KOTM utterly fails at the other side of Godzilla; cultural relevance and the haphazard use of nukes. And once you start to realize that it becomes evident that 98 while a bad Godzilla film, that is not accurate to the character physically, at least it doesn’t have 98 saying nukes are a good thing or something to really joke about.
I’ll just reiterate this:
-98 is a failure at representing the Godzilla character physically; Godzilla is weak, runs, lacks any sort of real breath ability etc...On top of that the movie surrounding it is boring and not really memorable. As a Godzilla fan the film is bad.
-KOTM is more stylistically similar to other Godzilla films. Godzilla is strong, has a beam etc...in that regard it’s more faithful. However, the core of the original series, was nuclear proliferation being a bad thing; and nuclear energy and weapons being something to be adamantly feared and wary of.
98 is insulting to fans. KOTM runs the risk of being really culturally offensive to the history and legacy of the franchise. There’s a big difference there. Yeah you got to see Godzilla fight Ghidorah, but when you remove the outer shell you start to see the film really has no interest in being a Godzilla film beyond having the monsters. It’s the complete polar opposite of 98.
The warped thing is that everyone is equating what I’m saying to “I like 98” or “98” is s good film. No, I think it’s a bad movie. I see it as a poor representation of Godzilla. But while I see 98 as a poor representation of the character, I see KOTM as something that acts completely antithetical to the entire Godzilla franchise, and greater Toho lexicon in general.