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my personal theory on why you never see Ghidorah and MechaGodzilla in the same place at the same time is that both were used by aliens who wanted full control over planet Earth for themselves, with the black hole aliens going so far as to wish to kill Titanosaurus had it eventually defeated Godzilla. i think both species of aliens were keenly aware of one another, and openly avoided interfering for fear of starting a galactic war between their advanced civilizations...one that the black hole aliens would have won.
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Young Guy wrote:You're acting as if their bones are made of the same material as humans.
That's the point. They're not. :P

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Hauntedmech wrote:
Young Guy wrote:You're acting as if their bones are made of the same material as humans.
That's the point. They're not. :P
Your theories are amazing.
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I like that Thermopolium idea. It sounds like something you'd hear from one of the G films.
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here is a Theory
Godzilla is a...
Spoiler:
living strange matter monster...
Godzilla(Heisei,2000,shin,anime) , The thing(Alien horror) , Xenomorph(Black goo) Might all be living Strangelet/Strange matter base on how they work.
strangelets are said to be able to change any matter into strange matter like a virus , Shin Godzilla and The thing show alot of signs of being strange matter like , its best you read up on what a strangelet/strange matter is. here is a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelet#Dangers.
also here is a bunch of Theory's for godzilla on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/GODZILLA/comme ... se_theory/

also shock how no one made more theory's id wish people would make crazy but cool theory's about godzilla/kajiu's

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We talking about scientific theories on kaiju biology and other things of that nature? If so, I always had a theory on the reason Godzilla avoids the square cube law. Namely, Godzilla's body naturally goes through the process of hydrogen atom splitting that hydrogen bombs do to create radiation for atomic breath and his own survival. The light hydrogen atoms of the process as well as the helium produced by the process naturally lightens Godzilla and prevents him from being crushed by his own weight.

It also probably explains at least half of the Showa era's weightless feats. :lol:
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My theories regarding the continuity of the Showa timeline:

- The reason Mothra does not participate in Monster Zero is because she is in a cocoon (having been a larva previously in Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster). This explains why in Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster Mothra is in her imago form. Monster Zero's title card says it takes place in "196X" which means it could theoretically take place anytime between 1960 to 1969. However, on Tohokingdom's Background and Trivia section for Monster Zero it says in New Godzilla Walker - The New Legend of the King of the Monsters that the film takes place in 1965. This makes sense, since for each film we can generally assume the year of the film's release is the year the film takes place in (the only exception for this is Destroy All Monsters which explicitly tells the film takes place in 1999). This can be seen in the progression of the Mothra egg from Mothra vs. Godzilla in 1964 to Mothra's final imago form in 1966 for Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. We never see her cocoon for the imago form for that film so it is only a natural assumption that Mothra was in a cocoon in the previous movie. That also explains why the Xiliens did not seek out Mothra even though Mothra helped defeat King Ghidorah.
- Speaking of the Xiliens, I sometimes like to think they sent King Ghidorah alone in Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster to conquer the earth but Ghidorah was defeated so they came up with the idea to take control of the monsters that defeated him to help rule the earth.
- Godzilla gets a softer side from being the adoptive parent for Minya. So much so that, after the snow melts on Sollgel Island, he befriends a member of the Anguirus species (a specie of kaiju that he had previously killed in Godzilla Raids Again. Anguirus watches over Minya while Godzilla is away fighting Hedorah in Godzilla vs. Hedorah.
- Another fun fact, the Japanese title of Son of Godzilla translates into English as Monster Island's Decisive Battle: Son of Godzilla. So, Sollgell island and Monster Island are one and the same. :o

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Gojira-Fan wrote:My theories regarding the continuity of the Showa timeline:

- The reason Mothra does not participate in Monster Zero is because she is in a cocoon (having been a larva previously in Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster). This explains why in Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster Mothra is in her imago form. Monster Zero's title card says it takes place in "196X" which means it could theoretically take place anytime between 1960 to 1969. However, on Tohokingdom's Background and Trivia section for Monster Zero it says in New Godzilla Walker - The New Legend of the King of the Monsters that the film takes place in 1965. This makes sense, since for each film we can generally assume the year of the film's release is the year the film takes place in (the only exception for this is Destroy All Monsters which explicitly tells the film takes place in 1999). This can be seen in the progression of the Mothra egg from Mothra vs. Godzilla in 1964 to Mothra's final imago form in 1966 for Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. We never see her cocoon for the imago form for that film so it is only a natural assumption that Mothra was in a cocoon in the previous movie. That also explains why the Xiliens did not seek out Mothra even though Mothra helped defeat King Ghidorah.
- Speaking of the Xiliens, I sometimes like to think they sent King Ghidorah alone in Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster to conquer the earth but Ghidorah was defeated so they came up with the idea to take control of the monsters that defeated him to help rule the earth.
- Godzilla gets a softer side from being the adoptive parent for Minya. So much so that, after the snow melts on Sollgel Island, he befriends a member of the Anguirus species (a specie of kaiju that he had previously killed in Godzilla Raids Again. Anguirus watches over Minya while Godzilla is away fighting Hedorah in Godzilla vs. Hedorah.
- Another fun fact, the Japanese title of Son of Godzilla translates into English as Monster Island's Decisive Battle: Son of Godzilla. So, Sollgell island and Monster Island are one and the same. :o
oh wow i dont think no one tought of the mothra was in a cacoon ... makes sense

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I may have found a compromise to the MUTO/Titan "Retcon". Maybe the Titans are the super large and powerful MUTO's like Godzilla and Ghidorah, the "tops of primordial ecosystems", while the rest of the MUTO's are lower down the food chain.
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Gojira18 wrote:I may have found a compromise to the MUTO/Titan "Retcon". Maybe the Titans are the super large and powerful MUTO's like Godzilla and Ghidorah, the "tops of primordial ecosystems", while the rest of the MUTO's are lower down the food chain.
That's what I thought too honestly- that "Titan" is a specific term made to distinguish especially large, powerful and potentially dangerous monsters.

Or alternatively, Monarch just discarded the term M.U.T.O after they became public in 2014 and created a new, basic term that will be easier for the general public to follow.
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Here is the Big Theory for the Anime that i posted in page 122 of GODZILLA ANIME General Discussion Thread , reposting it here since its for the Theory thread as well,and since its coming out tomorrow.
lets just call it joshoctober16's Gojianime Theory or whatever

Note im not saying all of the theory's are true infact its more that it could choose this over that, some will be noted.
Also note (Keep checking until it says Finish for all the PART's)
Also tell me how it is by Parts like

Part1:i find this(and so on)
part2:i disagree because(and so on)

let me start with this

PART 1:Characters and Monsters (Finish)
Spoiler:
The Human/Alien characters seem to represent or even be related to the monsters

Mulu-elu Galu-gu = MechaGodzilla
Miana & Maina = Mothra
Haruo Sakaki = Godzilla
Metphies = Ghidorah
PART 2:Mulu-elu Galu-gu/Bilusaludo and Mechagodzilla (Finish)
Theory 2 A
Spoiler:
first let me just say that Mulu-elu Galu-gu did fuse with mechagodzilla.
Theory 2 B
Spoiler:
If im correct(sorry if im wrong)Godzilla cells where put in Mechagodzilla.
If this is true it would mean that Mechagodzilla is already corrupted by Godzilla.
Theory 2 C
Spoiler:
The name of them (Mulu-elu/Mecha)-(Galu-gu/Godzilla) both start with a M and has a G for the second part.
Theory 2 D
Spoiler:
Also Metphies says the Bilusaludo's think too (ROBOTIC).

Metphies:In essence, it's a wicked thing. its no different from a monster. And to the Bilusaludo who worship it, i have apprehensions. Their thought process is too robotic. But can you really call that intelligence?

Haruo:Isn't it just logical?

Metphies:Those with intelligence will become LOST, ANGRY, and GRIEVE. Our battle must be something beyond that. Bust the Bilusaludo belittle the souls who believe that. They are not trying to unify the galaxy's intelligence. But instead, it's as if they want to become one with monsters.

Note for the part he says
Lost
angry
grieve
it spells out LAG , Lag spells out Gal backwards as in galu-gu...
Theory not by me
Spoiler:
Note this part little part isnt my theory but il put it in so you can notice it.
A other interesting thing , form part 2 , when explaining the emp HARPOON

yuko says:its like a lance for a whale.

and later when godzilla earth blows up mechagodzilla city

martin says:Mechagodzilla City is...sinking

telling ya this cause one person said part 2's story reminds him of moby dick.
the other user theory ends here.
Theory 2 E WARNING(NSFW/SEXUAL THEME)
Spoiler:
I also had a theory before any clips of the second movie came out with just the poster and the name, the name i herd alot was (Godzilla mobile breeding city),
i found it odd... breeding city? i was thinking does this city has some sort of sex symbol or something? as in Godzilla = Asexual vs Mechagodzilla = Sexual?
while it didn't seem like its fully the case there are some little notes of interest in the images.Image
(Image 1)​It looks like a a woman's reproductive part from the outside , it also kind of looks like a heart as in (love/lust)
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(Image 2 you can see that everything looks very HR Giger ish as well.)And HR giger is known for his pornographic like art , and made alot of the design for alien , the movie that represents rape.
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(Now for Image 3)The so call Trap for Godzilla, they make looks like the male genitalia , it dosnt help with it saying nanometal particle spray.
a other thing to note is about mechagodzilla city if you zoom out.
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(Image 4 of Mechagodzilla City.)The city's walls are shape as if its ether a woman's womb or a Egg/ovum in the process of a sperm going in.
Also Godzilla Earth from above would make it look like a tadpole.
There is a part where a door opens before the mechagodzila head part , it sounds like you hear a alien/xenomorph scream/roar.
Also this line from the wiki
The design of Mechagodzilla City is patterned after "a fungus or slime mold growing in a petri dish," with a collapsed section of Mount Fuji serving as the "petri dish" in this case. Mechagodzilla City is designed to look old and worn and also like a fungus that is growing and spreading randomly. The plant inside Mechagodzilla City is modeled after "factories at a time when pollution frequently occurred, and technology and economic development were the top priority.
mechagodzilla acts like a fungal infection , like a yeast infection....
Now for this Disturbing part... when the nanometal starts to go inside yuko,try to close your eyes and think this is a rape by a other guy, here is how it sounds like.

Yuko:OW! It hurts!

Rilu-elu Belu-be:it only hurts in the beginning. You'll be at ease soon. Relax and surrender yourself.

Yuko:No! I don't want to! No way!


a bit later...

Yuko:Stop... Please help me.

no joke this is what you will hear.
PART 3:Twins and Mothra (Finish)
Theory 3 A
Spoiler:
I wonder if mothra wont be the normal one but instead mothra leo? or even Eternal Mothra, or... even gigamoth?
Theory 3 B
Spoiler:
Anyhow somthing interesting i saw in the site here all the non houtua character's name are in caps.
mAina and mIana... so if you remove the 2 cap letters and put them together it will spell out AI mina mana , (note that mina means all or everyone or everything)
so it kinda spells out Evreyone/All Artificial intelligence power? (mana's usage has been used in the gamera 90 movies,you can say its a word for power/supernatural).
Theory 3 C
Spoiler:
The book siad if mothra and battra join forces they will be able to defeat godzilla , sadly battra got killed by godzilla when he was just a larva state by him self.
Also in the book siad mothra had 2 eggs... however we only see 1 in the movie? i find it odd...
here is a photo in the trailer showing mothra's egg?
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This appears to show mothra hatching.
PART 4:Haruo and Godzilla (Finish)
Theory 4 A
Spoiler:
now for haruo...
lets first start with the fact he is the only character with a unatural hair color blue , same color as godzilla yes i know that anime characters have weird colors but look at all the other human characters.
note that his name is base on Haruo Nakajima who was the actor in the suit of godzilla in all the showa and 1954.
i find it odd that Metphies keeps saying (he's the only one worthy of fighting Godzilla, and that his time to prove it would come soon) and a other thing that isnt told yet for part 2 is for some reason he is immune to mechagodzilla's infection , we still dont know if it has to do with the mothra powder or if he has this ability.
Theory 4 B
Spoiler:
​also odd when he was a child godzilla killed his parents and somehow never tried to attack haruos ship... also am i the only one who finds godzilla looks very sad after he did that? go re-watch it look at godzillas face, also note metphies says godzilla is the vengeful hammer of god , as in godzilla is a part of god , it could be the same for haruo, as in he is a part of god just not the vengeful part.
Also the haruo as a child part , when godzilla roars this part was edited, the roar used to be a louder slowed(the pitch isn't down) down roar that reminds me of haruo yelling at the end of part 2 And here it is along with some interesting concept stuff.
Theory 4 C
Spoiler:
Also the first time Godzilla was shown in this poster
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you can kind of see the human is shape as if its a human in a suit if you look very closely and in the neck area you can kind of a little bit see a nose of the human(its almost as if your seeing haruo nakajima) , also it kind of looks like there are alot of faces in alot of pain and suffering all over godzilla in that shot , almost like the thing.
Also in the ending of the first movie after killing filius martin says

Martin:This is just my opinion, but i think this is a different Godzilla then the one that drove us from Earth.

Haruo:But its appearance and abilities were almost identical.

Martin:And that's exactly why. Life's true nature is found in change. No matter how gradual the renewal cycle may be, it's impossible to maintain the exact same appearance. so this one may be an offspring that inherited Godzilla's form and nature. Such a guess would actually be the most natural. Although the question remains of why there was ONLY THIS ONE.


its a hint that it makes no sense for having just one random child that looks the same form the past since all the years , i mean shin godzilla was gona split into more then 15+ not 1, what im trying to say there is more then just Godzilla filius and Earth , theres likely more Godzillas on earth.
read this on the wiki
https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_Earth#Origins
Godzilla evolved as a result of this plant life incorporating the characteristics of various other organisms through the process of horizontal gene transfer, granting him extreme durability, heat resistance, stealthiness, and regenerative abilities.
this kinda sounds like the misheard fact of shin godzilla that its a micro lifeforms all becoming one.
pretty much like the thing (alien horror movie)
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i see alot of things in this photo along with the part the godzilla looks sad.
Theory 4 D
Spoiler:
In the trailer for planet eater , when translated you hear

Whenever banished who defeat the King of Destruction(Godzilla)

Metphies:Praise the god.everything lead to road of devotion.*Well then, cast your eyes down and pray before the golden end.

A feast of doom will begin.

Metphies:What makes Godzilla itself, it is your hatred.

Martin:That's a threat go beyond Godzilla,


And for more hints Haruo might be... Part?/Is? godzilla is from the manga , the chapter 14/last chapter some strange stuff near the end... like this...
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this is shown middle ish end of the last manga.
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The second last Page.
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The last page. Note that Haruo is looking at Godzilla Earth that is in front of him, but for some reason when haruo gets angry this ghostly godzilla figure appears...
If some one can translate the manga photos above please do.
Its possible that The whole Planet is now Godzilla in a way... , but other people have said this before part 1 came out.
PART 5:Metphies and Ghidorah (Finish)
Theory 5 A
Spoiler:
as for Metphies...
well he is too suspicious in all the movies almost as if he knows what is about to happen and seems to be obsessed with haruo and godzilla in a way.
a other thing is ghidorah in a way represents the devil , and Metphies's name seems to be based on Mephistopheles who is the devil from faust.. and the maker of this anime gen(who made madoka) has used this concept with mephistopheles with a character in it...
​also notice at the end of part 2 (and on Metphies suit theres a badge) both show a shape that is very close to the devils pentagram
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Theory 5 B
Spoiler:
In the book a very dense Planet with the mass of the moon but as small as a asteroid seem to be alive it self and going towards the earth , godzilla destroyed it with a red spiral ray , what to note is ghidorah looks and could be a living star or somthing greater....
this small planet godzilla destroyed could be some sort of baby proto ghidorah? who knows, but remember the first movie of ghidorah, ghidorah came from a asteroid so ya i think that might be proof.
Theory 5 C
Spoiler:
And also you might not like this but Ghidorah wont look normal , that one photo here...
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(Not mothra infront of Ghidorah)And no it isnt mothra you see , i say that this is ghidorah how it looked like when it first came to the Exif planet , Ghidorah no longer has a body , but now is a living Universe/Black hole , AKA the god of void , it is infact god ... yes god the real god , you probably herd that god looks like a very bright light, this is god that Metphies keeps on talking about also in this video

look at the comments Masaki Sanity a user translated what they say in the trailer and it is this.

Haruo:We can't beat Godzilla anymore...

Martin:Mankind may be only curtain raiser for give birth to Godzilla, the ultimate life-form.

Metphies:If we call god in this planet, you suit for standing before an altar.

Maina:What on the earth do you hope?

Metphies:My mission what is taken over everlasting times, now it is going to be done!

Adam:It's god...god can defeat Godzilla!


Whenever banished who defeat the King of Destruction(Godzilla)

Metphies:Praise the god.everything lead to road of devotion.*Well then, cast your eyes down and pray before the golden end.

A feast of doom will begin.

Metphies:What makes Godzilla itself, it is your hatred.

Martin:That's a threat go beyond Godzilla,

Miana:Ghidorah...

Martin:the earth itself will be eaten...!


Does the earth choose

Haruo:Damm you are going to destroy everything not only Godzilla!

a salvation of doom?

Metphies:Haruo...you must hope it all the time, someday, you liberate from everything.

Haruo:If I gave up, everything gonna be lie.

Miana:Leave the life...

Metphies:Praise an end.

Haruo:I don't need salvation!

Metphies:No blessing beyond this!

Metphies:I was waiting for this moment.


Ghidorah is what some people fear of god in real life , a evil god ...
Theory 5 D
Spoiler:
Also did you ever find it odd that 2 alien races appeared one year after the other? well i think i know why...
Ghidorah was the black hole that ate the Bilusaludo star system , it was the plan of the exif, a plan for the bilusaludo to come to earth and build the Nano-metal and fix that one sacred object that metphies fix at the end of part 2, and both humans and bilusaludo have no clue about it...
Theory 5 E
Spoiler:
A other proof that Metphies might be a Tiny/Part of ghidorah is shown in the trailer
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This is eather Metphies showing his true form or there is a 2 tiny Ghidorah or Ghidorah can change size's... , you can see the shot before he was standing at the same spot , but now a tiny Ghidorah shows up where he was at.
PART 6:SpaceGodzilla? (Finish)
Theory 6 A
Spoiler:
as for spacegodzilla one thing to note yes we know ghidorah is in the next one but , i find it interesting all the Exif have Crystals that resemble the ones from spacegodzilla?, who knows ghidorah and spacegodzilla both as villians?
Theory 6 B
Spoiler:
or spacegodzilla is there good god and ghidorah ruined there planet, or... spacegodzilla mutated into ghidorah or ghidorah might evolve into spacegodzilla in the next movie? , just note Planet/Star eater reminds me of the fact spacegodzilla got energy from stars and supernova so ya..., or who knows.... godzilla earth could try to mutate into a new SPACE form to fight ghidorah.
Theory 6 C
Spoiler:
For the New Godzilla planet eater trailer that came out a week ago , at the end you hear a strange creepy roar , that dosnt sound like Ghidorah or Godzilla Earth , this might be SpaceGodzilla.
Theory 6 D
Spoiler:
You might notice Ghidorah looks like a black hole ish.... well spacegodzilla is a cell of godzilla that fell into a black hole , what i think might happen is... Ghidorah eats Godzilla earth , then Godzilla mutates from ghidorah and breaks out as Spacegodzilla like a ChestBurster.
PART 7:Shin Godzilla/God and the Universe (Finish)
Theory 7 A
Spoiler:
here is a new theory the universe could just be the body of god , all the galaxy's and stars and planets and people and monsters are like different cells,
Humanoids could be your typical weak virus.
Monster gods like godzilla is kind of like a white blood cell however , it wouldn't stop mutating and is now the equivalent of a cancer cell spreding (same could be said for mechagodzilla and ghidorah) , hell even in part 2 there is a hint of this

Martin:It's about the houtua. The powder that's on their skin... i researched it. A part of Houtua's genetics are most likely insects. And one that is a sudden variant. If they did inherit humanity's genetics, that kind of evolution won't happen. Because the creatures turned into a Godzilla they must be carrying some kind of monster factor.

Haruo: Monster... Monster factor...

Martin:Well, before that, our problem is the surface's ecosystem.

Haruo:is that so?

Martin:Gradually, this ecosystem has been made to serve one individual.

Haruo:All the organisms serve one?

Martin:its Godzilla. Earth's current ecosystem is structured to serve under Godzilla. As the lord of creation, I can surmise that Earth chose not humans, but it.

Haruo:Earth chose Godzilla?

Martin:Pollution and global warming due to carbon dioxide, and the multiple nuclear test conducted because of the armaments race. Such repeated environmental damage brought the arrival of monsters. That's the accepted theory. If civilization disappeared, the natural environment would slowly be restored and return to its original state, or so we thought. However, reality has given us the opposite. The Earth has changed so much that it can't be undone.


also we see mechagodzilla is also spreading like cancer.
also remember nuclear radiation on humans usely makes cancer, pretty much the universe/god is very sick​,and its mostly ghidorah that is the main sickness.
Theory 7 B
Spoiler:
A bigger theory is... that Shin Godzilla ... is Ghidorah .... wait what? you must ask ... , let me explain, shin Godzilla 1 to 4 form we know of , we found out the 5 form is seen at the end... but note that in shin Godzilla , Godzilla is apparently god reborn but still just as a infant , it could be that its 5 form isn't realy just A 5 form but more like multiple different shapes and sizes.
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the main body becomes very messed up and starts looking like this... , splitting into different forms and some going into different universe, Godzilla earth is one of the form 5 that was just about to go into form 6
when the time travel of the humans happen they see the giant Godzilla earth that has reach 6 form.
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Ghidorah is a very evolve form 7 , and the shot of its whole body you see was just it in its past 6 form as a flashback.
also for the it goes up to 8 form is base on this.
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So ya Ghidorah is trying to infect everything and absorb everything to get ready to become into its 8 form.
lets see how much parts i have wrong/right...

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The question:

How do Kiryu (and Gotengo) "shoot" their Absolute Zero Cannons?

The problem:

The warmer atoms are, the more excited they become, move around & space further apart. The colder they are the slower & more subdue they become as well as bundle up closer together. Absolute Zero is the theory that if you reach an extremely low temperature, 0 Kelvins, the atoms will stop moving all together. We've never reached this in real life (at the time of this post) but we have gotten pretty close. So close in fact we have made temperatures here on Earth lower than even the coldest parts of the known, observable universe and in fact use liquid nitrogen in a vacuum to reach these temperatures to use as a coolant for some super computers today. Godzilla films can do whatever they want however. Freezing Godzilla at Absolute Zero is a genius way to counteract his tough hide, by making his atoms stop working, the molecules braking apart and no longer have the ability to hold their bounds. In a weird way it's the prefect counteract to a highly radioactive monster, whose body has sub-atomic particles crashing into each other constantly in a chain reaction that fuels his nuclear power.

The problem is we see Kiryu shoot this as an energy ball, the Showa Gotengo as a spray of mist and Neo Gotengo as light ray. At 0 Kelvins these atoms should not have any energy to fire out cause 0 Kelvins is exactly that. No energy, no movement, no nothing. And even if they could be fired, it should scatter in the air like the dummy building Kiryu froze in it's demonstration of it's AZC. Nor should it be giving off any light.

The solution:

Hard Light or Solid Light.

I know it sounds like sci-fi bull or fantasy but it is theorized to be plausible, in fact some groups such as MIT and Harved are claiming they have actually made it.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... a-new-way/
https://www.foxnews.com/science/mit-har ... lightsaber
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/solid-li ... _n_5824268
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... ction.html

Light is still made of particles. Normally they are so spaced so far apart you just pass through them when trying to physically interact with them, but because they are still made of solid particles, they still react to temperatures, and when light starts reaching Absolute Zero temperatures the particles can be bounded together, making solid light.

When Kiryu "charging" up his Absolute Zero Cannon, we see a ball of light forming and in the movies it's confirmed Kiryu uses a massive diamond as an important part of it's AZC, so important the cannon could no longer be used when the diamond was damaged or destroyed. I think we are seeing a mechanism purposely firing light, that is intensified by the massive diamond, in the center where Liquid Nitrogen or some unknown ultra low temperature chemical is being released in the center, the light becomes solid from this and forms a shell around it. Inside the center of this cannon shell Absolute Zero temperatures while the outer shell is warmer and doesn't shatter from being launched but does when it impacts, oh say, Godzilla. Compressed air is used to launch the ball at Godzilla, it shatters, the solid light particles act as shrapnel and the chemical is splashed into any open cuts or wounds. How it is able to remove air from this shell and make it a vacuum is unknown, as it would warm up liquid nitrogen. Maybe it doesn't need to and they found a way around it, or they discovered or invented a chemical colder than liquid nitrogen.

Showa Gotengo uses compressed air to launch a mist of "snowflakes" that are easily shattered tiny pellets filled with a similar chemical, the containers probably being glass strong enough to safely store and move it but shattered on impact when hitting a target.

Neo Gotengo's method would be similar to Kiryu's except it shoots a "beam" of hard light filled with absolute zero temperature core as opposed to a ball.

This would explain why both Gotengo's Absolute Zero Cannon's worked better underwater than Kiryu's, the water would spread out the agent and lessen it's effect, Kiryu shot one moderately sized ball that took forever between shots, where as Showa Gotengo overcame it with many tiny projectiles and Neo Gotengo overcame it with one large continuous stream that ended when it stopped firing.

Or...

Alternative Theory:

They fire some unknown chemical that sucks the heat out of the air. This would cause snowflakes and ice to "follow" or form around them as they travel through the air as moisture in the air would flash freeze, the intense light could literally be light refraction from all the ice particles acting as millions or billions of tiny mirrors. Though such a chemical, as far as I know, does not exist yet either in space nor on Earth, be it natural or man made.


P.S. sorry for the long post.
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Living Corpse wrote:The question:

How do Kiryu (and Gotengo) "shoot" their Absolute Zero Cannons?

The problem:

The warmer atoms are, the more excited they become, move around & space further apart. The colder they are the slower & more subdue they become as well as bundle up closer together. Absolute Zero is the theory that if you reach an extremely low temperature, 0 Kelvins, the atoms will stop moving all together. We've never reached this in real life (at the time of this post) but we have gotten pretty close. So close in fact we have made temperatures here on Earth lower than even the coldest parts of the known, observable universe and in fact use liquid nitrogen in a vacuum to reach these temperatures to use as a coolant for some super computers today. Godzilla films can do whatever they want however. Freezing Godzilla at Absolute Zero is a genius way to counteract his tough hide, by making his atoms stop working, the molecules braking apart and no longer have the ability to hold their bounds. In a weird way it's the prefect counteract to a highly radioactive monster, whose body has sub-atomic particles crashing into each other constantly in a chain reaction that fuels his nuclear power.

The problem is we see Kiryu shoot this as an energy ball, the Showa Gotengo as a spray of mist and Neo Gotengo as light ray. At 0 Kelvins these atoms should not have any energy to fire out cause 0 Kelvins is exactly that. No energy, no movement, no nothing. And even if they could be fired, it should scatter in the air like the dummy building Kiryu froze in it's demonstration of it's AZC. Nor should it be giving off any light.

The solution:

Hard Light or Solid Light.

I know it sounds like sci-fi bull or fantasy but it is theorized to be plausible, in fact some groups such as MIT and Harved are claiming they have actually made it.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... a-new-way/
https://www.foxnews.com/science/mit-har ... lightsaber
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/solid-li ... _n_5824268
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... ction.html

Light is still made of particles. Normally they are so spaced so far apart you just pass through them when trying to physically interact with them, but because they are still made of solid particles, they still react to temperatures, and when light starts reaching Absolute Zero temperatures the particles can be bounded together, making solid light.

When Kiryu "charging" up his Absolute Zero Cannon, we see a ball of light forming and in the movies it's confirmed Kiryu uses a massive diamond as an important part of it's AZC, so important the cannon could no longer be used when the diamond was damaged or destroyed. I think we are seeing a mechanism purposely firing light, that is intensified by the massive diamond, in the center where Liquid Nitrogen or some unknown ultra low temperature chemical is being released in the center, the light becomes solid from this and forms a shell around it. Inside the center of this cannon shell Absolute Zero temperatures while the outer shell is warmer and doesn't shatter from being launched but does when it impacts, oh say, Godzilla. Compressed air is used to launch the ball at Godzilla, it shatters, the solid light particles act as shrapnel and the chemical is splashed into any open cuts or wounds. How it is able to remove air from this shell and make it a vacuum is unknown, as it would warm up liquid nitrogen. Maybe it doesn't need to and they found a way around it, or they discovered or invented a chemical colder than liquid nitrogen.

Showa Gotengo uses compressed air to launch a mist of "snowflakes" that are easily shattered tiny pellets filled with a similar chemical, the containers probably being glass strong enough to safely store and move it but shattered on impact when hitting a target.

Neo Gotengo's method would be similar to Kiryu's except it shoots a "beam" of hard light filled with absolute zero temperature core as opposed to a ball.

This would explain why both Gotengo's Absolute Zero Cannon's worked better underwater than Kiryu's, the water would spread out the agent and lessen it's effect, Kiryu shot one moderately sized ball that took forever between shots, where as Showa Gotengo overcame it with many tiny projectiles and Neo Gotengo overcame it with one large continuous stream that ended when it stopped firing.

Or...

Alternative Theory:

They fire some unknown chemical that sucks the heat out of the air. This would cause snowflakes and ice to "follow" or form around them as they travel through the air as moisture in the air would flash freeze, the intense light could literally be light refraction from all the ice particles acting as millions or billions of tiny mirrors. Though such a chemical, as far as I know, does not exist yet either in space nor on Earth, be it natural or man made.


P.S. sorry for the long post.
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I’ve always been partial to the od time rift theory that explained all the different timelines, although it only accounts for those which the first movie still exists.
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King Caesar isn't the only Japanese guardian monster. Mainland Japan built a rival monster that eventually defeated him and that's how Japan conquered Okinawa.
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LSD Jellyfish wrote:A better question is how Japan was allowed to build a super weapon...
My own theory is that after the first few battery of kaiju attacks Japan amended/removed Article 9 (my guess would be some sort of amendment that specifies that said superweapons are only to be used for the expressed purpose of fighting monsters), with tacit US approval after American forces took casualties trying to defend against a Godzilla attack

At one point I was considering a Godzilla-based alternate history in which the US choosing to allow Japan to re-arm in the late 50s/early 60s results in so great a Chinese backlash that when the Sino-Soviet Split occurs as in OTL there is no corresponding Sino-American rapproachment, resulting in a three-way Cold War between the US, USSR, and PRC that continues to the modern day
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I like to think the Hedorah in Godzilla Final Wars is the "2nd" Hedorah that was hinted at the end of Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster.

I also like to think that Godzilla Final Wars is in the same timeline as the Showa era.
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One of my theories is that the mind control used by various aliens doesn't make puppets out of the monsters, but manipulates them in a more subtle way, like a voice inside their heads nudging them to do things. Mind controlled monsters act like they do normally except they might act more aggressively or move in the direction their controllers want them to go.
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tyrantgoji wrote:King Caesar isn't the only Japanese guardian monster. Mainland Japan built a rival monster that eventually defeated him and that's how Japan conquered Okinawa.
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I’d be down for that
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