Unpopular Godzilla Opinions
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I’m fine, I just don’t appreciate these passive aggressive comments that don’t even bother to tag me in them when they post them.
I’ll agree to disagree on the matter and drop it.
I’ll agree to disagree on the matter and drop it.
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This is my first post. Apologies if I screwed this up.
If I may go off on a tangent …
If I may go off on a tangent …
I used to think Kong’s electric powers were weird and absurd. Then I heard that it comes from the first draft of the script where Godzilla was supposed to battle Frankenstein. Now Kong’s electric powers irritate me as lazy rewriting.JAGzilla wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:37 am The random electric powers are a plus that fits right in with Japanese kaiju. There's a giant gorilla, and lightning makes it stronger for literally no reason at all. I love the absurdity of it. That ability gives this incarnation of Kong something to make him stand out, too.
I heard the stop motion was either a contract requirement from Kong’s IP owners or Toho’s tribute to the 1933 movie. Either way my appreciation of that scene has dramatically improved.
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Eh, you could definitely call it lazy. Kong did sort of need a gimmick, though. It's just not very believable to have him fight Godzilla on an even footing otherwise. I guess they could have chalked it up to brawn and brains, but the electricity is literally flashier.SpiderZilla wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:49 am This is my first post. Apologies if I screwed this up.
If I may go off on a tangent …
I used to think Kong’s electric powers were weird and absurd. Then I heard that it comes from the first draft of the script where Godzilla was supposed to battle Frankenstein. Now Kong’s electric powers irritate me as lazy rewriting.JAGzilla wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:37 am The random electric powers are a plus that fits right in with Japanese kaiju. There's a giant gorilla, and lightning makes it stronger for literally no reason at all. I love the absurdity of it. That ability gives this incarnation of Kong something to make him stand out, too.
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There was never a version of this movie where Godzilla was supposed to battle Frankenstein. This project developed from King Kong vs. Frankenstein. The later Godzilla vs. Frankenstein proposal eventually evolved into FCtW.
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Good catch. The original draft had Kong battling Frankenstein. Toho replaced Frankenstein with Godzilla and the roles were reversed (or to put it another way, Godzilla took over Kong’s role and Kong took over Frankenstein’s role), but the electric powers were retained.
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It's difficult to read "It's not believable to have Kong fight Godzilla on even footing" and not think a lot of that opinion is clouded heavily by the 60 years of Godzilla movies that have come after. But in 1962 Godzilla wasn't the uncontested, super powerful alpha monster that he's considered today. He had only fought one other monster, and Angilas certainly didn't have the raw brute strength Kong did. Meanwhile, in 1933 Kong beat a Tyrannosaurs to death with his bare hands, flipping him over his back and tearing his jaws apart.
In 1962 I doubt many people questioned whether or not the two monsters were an even match. I'll bet many went into the film completely expecting Kong to tear the shit out of Godzilla. Because at that point, Kong was the true cinematic king.
In 1962 I doubt many people questioned whether or not the two monsters were an even match. I'll bet many went into the film completely expecting Kong to tear the shit out of Godzilla. Because at that point, Kong was the true cinematic king.
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I think the greater issue in general is people think King Kong they just think of a big ape, where as you think Godzilla you think of an irradiated monster dinosaur that literally breaths atomic death. So to a casual audience it is always gonna come off as a big mismatch.Legion1979 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:21 am It's difficult to read "It's not believable to have Kong fight Godzilla on even footing" and not think a lot of that opinion is clouded heavily by the 60 years of Godzilla movies that have come after. But in 1962 Godzilla wasn't the uncontested, super powerful alpha monster that he's considered today. He had only fought one other monster, and Angilas certainly didn't have the raw brute strength Kong did. Meanwhile, in 1933 Kong beat a Tyrannosaurs to death with his bare hands, flipping him over his back and tearing his jaws apart.
In 1962 I doubt many people questioned whether or not the two monsters were an even match. I'll bet many went into the film completely expecting Kong to tear the poop out of Godzilla. Because at that point, Kong was the true cinematic king.
Sort of like casual public perception to Godzilla vs. Mothra i.e. a big moth "shouldn't" be able to challenge Godzilla at all.
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Alright, so. Why don't we move this multiple page discussion to the King Kong vs. Godzilla thread at this point. Thank you.
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It's also continually being reported, and I've asked twice prior to this statement to course correct. It's not about an unpopular opinion anymore, it's about King Kong vs Godzilla. Which is fine. But it's been enough at this point.Legion1979 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:46 am...but even though the discussion is about a specific movie, it's all regarding an unpopular opinion, isnt it?
I could just. Slap warnings with everyone who didn't change topics. I'm trying to be a bit relaxed about it.
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Well... ok lemme think.
I really do think Heisei Mechagodzilla gets enough flack for its design and usage in the film. I kinda like the tank-version of MG.
I really do think Heisei Mechagodzilla gets enough flack for its design and usage in the film. I kinda like the tank-version of MG.
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Difference between being a tank and literally being so immobile that everyone else has to do all the work to make your fights interesting. It's just too stiff hell even SpaceGodzilla has telekinesis & crystals to make its fights interesting in spite of being a similarly bulky and hard to move suit.
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I've always been a fan of Heisei MG. I think its smooth, sterile design is well-suited to the themes and tone of the movie, and I find it a good visual counterpart to the movie's Godzilla suit.
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I wish Heisei MG had the ability to fight H2H, but I can't lie, its grown on me over the years. I feel like compared to the other Heisei revisions of the Big 5, its probably the one that gives off the most vibes of its era. A giant mecha who gets another machine stapled onto its back and then going by the title of Super Mechagodzilla is the most 90's thing ever.
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I used to love this design. I had way too many toys of this thing. Don't like it nearly as much these days. The rounded body, tiny head and hands and limited mobility just don't work for me the way the original and Kiryu do.
Excellent theme music though.
Excellent theme music though.
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What do you mean by H2H?Gigantis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:33 pm I wish Heisei MG had the ability to fight H2H, but I can't lie, its grown on me over the years. I feel like compared to the other Heisei revisions of the Big 5, its probably the one that gives off the most vibes of its era. A giant mecha who gets another machine stapled onto its back and then going by the title of Super Mechagodzilla is the most 90's thing ever.
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Hand to handLegendZilla wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 4:15 pmWhat do you mean by H2H?Gigantis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:33 pm I wish Heisei MG had the ability to fight H2H, but I can't lie, its grown on me over the years. I feel like compared to the other Heisei revisions of the Big 5, its probably the one that gives off the most vibes of its era. A giant mecha who gets another machine stapled onto its back and then going by the title of Super Mechagodzilla is the most 90's thing ever.
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Correct opinons here.Legion1979 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:54 pm I used to love this design. I had way too many toys of this thing. Don't like it nearly as much these days. The rounded body, tiny head and hands and limited mobility just don't work for me the way the original and Kiryu do.
Excellent theme music though.
But overall it suffers not from being a bad design but just from being the least interesting of the designs.
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And hey, one can't even say it's a case of me only liking Showa, since I really LOVE Kiryu.
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Another MG based opinion...
Every single year I like Kiryu slightly less. It's not bad by any means, and I love the design, but in comparison to Showa and oddly enough, Heisei, I don't like it as much.
Every single year I like Kiryu slightly less. It's not bad by any means, and I love the design, but in comparison to Showa and oddly enough, Heisei, I don't like it as much.
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