Unpopular Godzilla Opinions

[Legion1979]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

[JAGzilla]

Since when is Toho unwilling to repeat themselves?

[darthzilla99]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

Didn't stop Toho from making kiryu, who still has the similar"anti-godzilla" weapon built by Japan origin as hesei Mechagodzilla. And Mothra always pretty much had the guardian of earth goddess for a long time.

SpaceGodzilla just has to be a Godzilla with space origins. You can easily make him an attempted weapon by Alien invaders. Heck, you could even make him be minya gets kidnapped, tortured, and modified by the Xilieans.

If the Oxygen Destroyer is in the story (such as doing a movie with 54 in the timeline which is not out of the realm of future possibility or a new Oxygen Destroyer plot), you can have Destroyah. The only potential same plot is his origin, which you can still somewhat modify. A future Destroyah movie doesn't have to have burning Godzilla in the plot.

And just because you don't change the origins doesn't mean you can't do new stories. Otherwise we would not have more than one Godzilla film.

[LegendZilla]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

Didn't stop Toho from making kiryu, who still has the similar"anti-godzilla" weapon built by Japan origin as hesei Mechagodzilla. And Mothra always pretty much had the guardian of earth goddess for a long time.

SpaceGodzilla just has to be a Godzilla with space origins. You can easily make him an attempted weapon by Alien invaders. Heck, you could even make him be minya gets kidnapped, tortured, and modified by the Xilieans.

If the Oxygen Destroyer is in the story (such as doing a movie with 54 in the timeline which is not out of the realm of future possibility or a new Oxygen Destroyer plot), you can have Destroyah. The only potential same plot is his origin, which you can still somewhat modify. A future Destroyah movie doesn't have to have burning Godzilla in the plot.

And just because you don't change the origins doesn't mean you can't do new stories. Otherwise we would not have more than one Godzilla film.

Good refutation.

[miguelnuva]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

SpaceGodzilla landed in Earth a long time ago and his Cell's created Godzilla, who later reawoken by the atomic bomb.

[Voyager]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

SpaceGodzilla landed in Earth a long time ago and his Cell's created Godzilla, who later reawoken by the atomic bomb.

So… SpaceGodzilla is the original? What’s the point of him being called SpaceGodzilla then? Let’s not do that.

[LSD Jellyfish]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

SpaceGodzilla would be cool if the design of the new Godzilla was different. But it brings up an awkward question:

Is SpaceGodzilla a crystal monster? Or just a Godzilla from space. If it's just a Godzilla from space, you could re-invent SpaceGodzilla in a cool way. But that would piss off the people that like SG as this crystal monster hyrbid who can use telekinesis. One could make the argument that Orga is sort of Space Godzilla 2.0 if we eliminate crystals as a defining feature. I'd be fine if Destoroyah kept the same general premise (Oxygen Destroyer monster) but instead was based on a different sea-life creature. But the similar problem emerges, is that really Destoroyah? If it's not this insectoid-demonic crab what is it?

Both monsters, at least are in semi-bad films (YMMV). I wouldn't mind a film where Destoroyah is better connected to the Oxygen Destroyer and is handled better. Space Godzilla was fine, but is in one of the weaker films in the franchise.

[Spuro]

Easy answer. Both monsters are tied to their origins. Could you really bring them back without repeating what was already done?

Doesn't stop Toho and other studios from making countless Godzilla sequels.

[Legion1979]

If Toho wanted to bring Space Godzilla and Destroyah back I think they would have by now. It's been over a quarter century.

To people who want these two monsters back - do you want them back with designs and powers similar to what we've already gotten or would you be up for a total and complete re-think of the very idea of both?

[LSD Jellyfish]

To people who want these two monsters back - do you want them back with designs and powers similar to what we've already gotten or would you be up for a total and complete re-think of the very idea of both?

Complete overhaul, but at that point whatever emerges might as well be a different monster.

[Legion1979]

To people who want these two monsters back - do you want them back with designs and powers similar to what we've already gotten or would you be up for a total and complete re-think of the very idea of both?

Complete overhaul, but at that point whatever emerges might as well be a different monster.

EXACTLY

Bring them back pretty much the same? That's rather redundant, why repeat yourself? Completely change them? Man, you are gonna piss off a lot of fans. Sounds like a no win.

Again, I can easily see why Toho doesn't bother. Rodan, Mothra, Ghidorah and MG are just simple enough that you can bring them back and change them up a bit.

[darthzilla99]

If Toho wanted to bring Space Godzilla and Destroyah back I think they would have by now. It's been over a quarter century.

To people who want these two monsters back - do you want them back with designs and powers similar to what we've already gotten or would you be up for a total and complete re-think of the very idea of both?

Jet Jaguar was brought back recently whose last appearance was nearly half a century before and was in a more hated film in Japan than either SpaceGodzilla or Destroyah. Also, Anguirus is not popular in Japan and yet was also brought back. Never say Never.

As far as how to change them up, I feel the crystal design and the telekinesis is vital to SpaceGodzilla's uniqueness and character along with being from Space. I think it would be interesting to see him give Godzilla a mental struggle and mess with his mind. I don't think SpaceGodzilla has to necessarily be a brute powerhouse like Ghidorah again. Design wise as long as you keep some crystals you can then go wild or simple.

Destroyah just has to have oxygen depleting powers. You could show him suffocating humanity for destruction. Not necessarily beams or the horn. Design wise, he's pretty flexible as long as you keep some crustacean elements. He doesn't need to be demonic looking again.

[Legion1979]

You haven't been paying attention turn to how popular a cult character Jet Jaguar has become, have you?

[LegendZilla]

You haven't been paying attention turn to how popular a cult character Jet Jaguar has become, have you?

Any character can receive a popular cult following with a stroke of luck.

[darthzilla99]

To people who want these two monsters back - do you want them back with designs and powers similar to what we've already gotten or would you be up for a total and complete re-think of the very idea of both?

Complete overhaul, but at that point whatever emerges might as well be a different monster.

EXACTLY

Bring them back pretty much the same? That's rather redundant, why repeat yourself? Completely change them? Man, you are gonna piss off a lot of fans. Sounds like a no win.

Again, I can easily see why Toho doesn't bother. Rodan, Mothra, Ghidorah and MG are just simple enough that you can bring them back and change them up a bit.

Well, let me ask you something: when does adaptation in a film or story cross the line of redundancy? Let's say Destroyah was used again hypothetically. Let's say he still has the Oxygen Destroyer origin and is roughly a freaky crustacean kaiju with oxygen depleting abilities, but the plot of the movie was something simple like Destroyah is the result of Serizawa's nightmare come to life and has potential to change the earth's climate and Godzilla is reluctantly the only hope. Let's also say there's no miki or psychic characters, no mechs, no baby Godzilla, no burning Godzilla, no Gforce like organization. Would that still be redundant?


Or how about Godzilla vs King Ghidorah 91. Some could argue it was a redundancy of Monster zero from a script standpoint (it has the mysterious visitors claiming to be friendly use deception on Japan/world to remove Godzilla as an obstacle in order to subjugate a population.)

[LSD Jellyfish]

Jet Jaguar was/has been always way simpler than either Destoroyah or Space Godzilla. He's just a robot that people in a garage made and becomes sentient and able to change size.

[Legion1979]

Jet Jaguar was/has been always way simpler than either Destoroyah or Space Godzilla. He's just a robot that people in a garage made and becomes sentient and able to change size.

Again, EXACTLY

Whether some people here want to come to terms with it or not, Space Godzilla and Destoryah are very specific monsters with specific origins, specific designs and are part of very specific storylines. The Showa monsters don't have that problem.

[LegendZilla]

^Would it be challenging the status quo to question that notion?

[darthzilla99]

Jet Jaguar was/has been always way simpler than either Destoroyah or Space Godzilla. He's just a robot that people in a garage made and becomes sentient and able to change size.

How are oxygen Destroyer mutation or crystal telekinetic Godzilla from Space more complex than size manipulating garage sentient robot?

[LegendZilla]

Jet Jaguar was/has been always way simpler than either Destoroyah or Space Godzilla. He's just a robot that people in a garage made and becomes sentient and able to change size.

How are oxygen Destroyer mutation or crystal telekinetic Godzilla from Space more complex than size manipulating garage sentient robot?

I think a general bias against the Heisei era plays a part in it all. If JJ had debuted in said era as opposed to the Showa, people would show the same attitude as the kaiju who actually did.