godjacob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:15 pm
Keizer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:05 pm
godjacob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:47 am
I mean the original King Ghidorah in the Showa Era was passed around like a mind-controlled toy among every alien race under the sun, so really his reputation as this planet destroying chaotic force was already kinda hurt by his use in all but one of his appearances. I don't see how making Heisei (Who also was a mind controlled pawn) a cyborg diminishes this anymore than beforehand.
True. That's probably why I tend to be fond of the 1998 and 2019 ones, as well as his first appearance, and probably another reason I tend to not like the second half of the Showa era that much. I like Ghidorah most when he is a towering, unstoppable, uncontrollable, planet-destroying behemoth; not when is is just someone's heavyweight. I suppose that is just a "thing" with me; I don't like Kaiju that can be controlled, either by mind-control, or it being a robot. Not sure why.
I mean Ghidorah in the Showa was made a pawn as early as 1965. The very second film he appeared in, and become an issue with him thereafter. Which I agree is a shame.
Probably a similar reason MV Ghidorah is my fav version of the character: Agency. It is nice when a creature acts upon their own interests rather than being told what to do by someone else. Especially when that creature is supposed to be this invading planetary threat, can make it feel cheap when they then basically exist to be a walking gun by some group of humans/aliens.
Word. Even if I am not a huge fan of how he slithers around instead of standing proudly, I think Ghidorah as a design and character is more or less perfect in the MV, which is especially great for a Western adaption.
Voyager wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:50 pm
Keizer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:07 am
Tyrant_Lizard_King wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:09 am
I've warmed to Mothra but I'm still not a fan. Also not a fan of the slinking Ghidorah. I like the design fine but I really hate how he was filmed most the time. Ghidorah is typically portrayed as a huge, imposing, but majestic monolith that towers over the other monsters. MV Ghidorah is constantly slithering around and hunching over. I get the idea giving him more serpentine movements but I don't think it fits with the idea of what Ghidorah should be.
I agree with this, actually. In terms of raw design, I actually think 2019 is quite possibly the best one so far, and he is portrayed pretty well as a whole, but the fact that he is much more snake-like kinda diminishes his on-screen presence. He comes across as more sinister than imposing, if that makes sense.
On the subject of Ghidorah though, and I'm not sure how unpopular this is: with a few tweaks to its design, Keizer Ghidorah would probably be one of my favorite Godzilla monsters. I think he could make a cool contrast to King Ghidorah; King would be the shining, regal, and tyrannical one, while Keizer would be the dark, maniacal, and sadistic one. I even like that it is a four-legged monster as well, even with the wings look like rubbish.
I like your idea on the King/Keizer contrast. But the one thing about Keizer Ghidorah’s design that irks me to no end, is his stupid little rat tails.
Yeah, Keizer's design in general is a freaking mess. The too -ong legs, the tiny bat wings, the rat-tails, the oddly shaped necks... I actually do like the idea of a four-legged Ghidorah; Death Ghidorah looked pretty good, but Keizer just looks cruddy, or at least the suit does. I do like how all three heads look different, though; it does make Keizer look more twisted and monstrous. That would be one thing I keep for a Keizer Ghidorah redesign.