Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Ookondru99 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:57 am

Most definitely Destroyah, Most of the godzilla's and hedorah
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Rody » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:20 am

As Donkun said, since Godzilla survived one in KOM, it's possible. In most cases, though, I would consider it extremely unlikely.
I could see GMK Godzilla survive an atomic blast... sort of...
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Legionmaster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:48 am

Svitska Donkun wrote:None of the others WERE, so saying that is just...well...dumb, considering there's no evidence at all to support it.

The fact that they are all harmed by lesser things than a nuke is the evidence. Again, as stated, one comic incarnation survived it. That doesn't mean every other version of Godzilla can.

There is in fact MORE evidence to support that he could given the fact that FOR Godzilla to exist, he would need to be subjected to at least one atomic explosion.

Ugh. How many times does it need to be said? Being exposed to fallout =/= surviving a nuclear explosion. I can warm myself by a fire without actually having to set myself on fire. That would hurt.

I could just as easily say, "One Godzilla, in a relatively recent movie, survived a Black Hole. None of the others could."

Your logic is kind of flawed here....

Ugh. And how many times does it need to be said that GxM Godzilla didn't survive a mini black hole? Because he didn't. It missed. And yes, no Godzilla would be able to survive a black hole. Because that would mean being crushed down into a singularity. His entire body would be crushed at a molecular level. It's just a shame no Godzilla has ever been close enough to one to put him down.

What I find interesting is someone will take a property like Batman, who is at its core a comic series, but then take the films just as seriously, but when it comes to the Godzilla franchise, "Nope! Not in a Japanese movie! Not possible!". Godzilla is a franchise at this point, not a film series. Time to start treating it as one. Who has the right to say who can add stuff to the franchise and who can't, as long as the character maintains its same base traits? Toho? What if the entire Godzilla property and licenses got bought lock-stock-and-barrel by Warner Bros. or Universal? If a line can't be officially drawn somewhere, then there isn't one....

This...doesn't even make sense, let alone the fact that it's completely irrelevant.

Talking about the original Godzilla here, he was, at least as the film explained, already a huge Dinosaur who lived under the ocean that got hit by a nuclear test. I was under the impression that he basically stayed the same, but woke up and was really pissed off. I think the only change the bomb had was causing him to breathe Atomic fire.

You answered your own question here: who lived under the ocean. He wasn't hit in the fact with a nuke, it was just detonated near where he was on the ocean floor. He then became irradiated. That, once again, is not the same as getting hit by a nuke.

Beyond that, your "Dinosaur would vaporize theory" doesn't hold up either in this universe, as they were planning to shoot the dinosaur with nuclear missiles in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah in order to provoke the change. Clearly its plausible within that universe.

Lol. Look who is failing at logic now. Just because their plan was to shoot him with nuclear missiles doesn't mean it would have worked. It doesn't make it any more plausible just because a dim-witted writer and melodramatic psychic say it will.

Anyways, Godzilla destroyed two nuclear subs, both carried nuclear weapons, the '91 carried stronger nuclear weapons. Wouldn't that mean Godzilla survived at least 2 powerful nuclear explosions?

No, no it wouldn't. He didn't detonate the missiles. That's ridiculous. You can't set off a nuclear weapon by setting the submarine on fire. He damaged the submarines and absorbed the radiation from the nuclear payloads.

Most definitely Destroyah, Most of the godzilla's and hedorah

lol. They would all still be vaporized. Destoroyah was damage by a flamethrower. A nuclear explosion would vaporized him far far far easier. Hedorah would be blown to bits AND dried out at the same time. And vaporized. Just like Godzilla.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Kubo » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:53 pm

Can a pig survive a nuclear bomb? Yes! ...I rest my case with that, ladies and gentlemen.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby therealmccoy » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:16 pm

King Caesar wrote:Can a pig survive a nuclear bomb? Yes! ...I rest my case with that, ladies and gentlemen.

Radioactive bacon...yum yum. :P
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby VamprisArachne » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:59 pm

^ Mmmmm bacon gaaaaaa.....

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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:01 pm

It seems to me that we have some confusion about just what level of force we're talking about in regards to being hit with a nuclear weapon. If there weren't, this thread would have ended with a "no" in the first reply

http://www.nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Effects/effects1.shtml
http://www.nukefix.org/weapon.html

But fine, we're talking about fantasy, not reality. Perhaps...no. First of all, we've never seen an incarnation of Godzilla that is truly impervious to physical damage, and no amount of regeneration is going to help someone that is in process of being atomized. I can't believe how many times this has been stated already, but Godzilla was mutated by fallout, not a direct hit with a nuke. He did not survive the physical force of the blast, he was bathed in the wave of radiation. Aside from the comic, he has never been depicted receiving damage that would even begin to approximate the force of a direct hit with a nuclear weapon.

And about Megaguirus...how can anyone possibly think anything could "survive" contact with a black hole? It's obvious that if Godzilla isn't currently being stretched to infinite lengths on an endless trip toward the center of said singularity (and that roar suggests he is not) then it simply did not hit him.

EDIT: Unless we're talking about some other form of singularity entirely. Was it more of a wormhole? Perhaps Godzilla spent some time on the other side of the Megaguirus rift? Who knows.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby RedZillaKing » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:33 pm

Oh boy, you do not want to go there. The film shows the DT hitting directly, even going so far as to obscure the upper half of Goji. There was no miss. The last thing we need is people dragging out the screen grabs. What can or cannot happen in our universe has absolutely no bearing on what can or cannot happen in the Tohoverse.

A 120,000,000 lb dinosaur who doesn't collapse under his own weight and belches an atomic ray says hello.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:54 pm

Legionmaster wrote:Destoroyah was damage by a flamethrower.



I think he was talking about his normal form, not his Juvenile form?
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Toxic Toast » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:15 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:Oh boy, you do not want to go there. The film shows the DT hitting directly, even going so far as to obscure the upper half of Goji. There was no miss. The last thing we need is people dragging out the screen grabs. What can or cannot happen in our universe has absolutely no bearing on what can or cannot happen in the Tohoverse.

A 120,000,000 lb dinosaur who doesn't collapse under his own weight and belches an atomic ray says hello.


You couldn't be more right.

Regarding nuclear blasts, it's flat-out stated in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah that Godzilla survived a nuclear blast. The changes it introduced to his internal processes did end up eventually doing him in, but the nuclear fireball itself didn't do any exterior damage.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Ookondru99 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:33 pm

Destroyah is shown to be given strength from fire
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Living Corpse /tb/ » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:48 pm

Ookondru99 wrote:Destroyah is shown to be given strength from fire


Heat.

Not fire, heat. He still got harmed by Godzilla Atomic Ray and flamethrowers.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Legionmaster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:58 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
Legionmaster wrote:Destoroyah was damage by a flamethrower.



I think he was talking about his normal form, not his Juvenile form?

Destoroyah is a colonial organism made up of trillions of microbes, regardless what size he is. And, regardless, Godzilla's ray still tore him open in his final form as well.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby kaijukurt » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:23 am

Svitska Donkun wrote:You have THIRTEEN different timelines floating around the Godzilla Lexicon...no wait...14 because of the novels. There's SEVEN if you only consider the movies.


Uhhh, I have a question: what exactly ARE these 14 timelines? Just curious.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Lord Gappa » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:30 am

kaijukurt wrote:
Svitska Donkun wrote:You have THIRTEEN different timelines floating around the Godzilla Lexicon...no wait...14 because of the novels. There's SEVEN if you only consider the movies.


Uhhh, I have a question: what exactly ARE these 14 timelines? Just curious.

Technically, there's 16.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:41 am

Toxic Toast wrote:Regarding nuclear blasts, it's flat-out stated in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah that Godzilla survived a nuclear blast. The changes it introduced to his internal processes did end up eventually doing him in, but the nuclear fireball itself didn't do any exterior damage.


No one said how far he was from the the epicenter, did they? What kind of blast it was? Was he standing behind a hill that absorbed some of the blast, or standing in a open meadow with his tongue sticking out screaming FEED ME as the shock-wave rolled in? And I'm not talking about the fireball anyway, I'm talking about the concussion.

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Oh boy, you do not want to go there. The film shows the DT hitting directly, even going so far as to obscure the upper half of Goji. There was no miss. The last thing we need is people dragging out the screen grabs. What can or cannot happen in our universe has absolutely no bearing on what can or cannot happen in the Tohoverse.

A 120,000,000 lb dinosaur who doesn't collapse under his own weight and belches an atomic ray says hello.


It's funny how easy it is to swallow that concept, compared to one that advocates physical objects the size of buildings "surviving" black holes. This does not require the simple "suspension of disbelief" that lets me believe Godzilla & co. have supernaturally strong shinbones. A monster surviving a black hole is akin to Toho showing a man fed through a woodchipper and mulched into bloody pulp, and then cutting to him recovering in a hospital bed because he's just that tough. However, I will grant that it's possible that the Dimension Tide did not generate "black holes" in the strict sense of the word (it's name suggests that anyway), but some other form of disruption. If it was just a portal to another universe or the like, as Megaguirus' appearance may demonstrate, then I can easily accept that the rift opens both ways, and Godzilla could have reemerged as easily as Megaguirus did.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Inferno Rodan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:51 am

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:No one said how far he was from the the epicenter, did they? What kind of blast it was? Was he standing behind a hill that absorbed some of the blast, or standing in a open meadow with his tongue sticking out screaming FEED ME as the shock-wave rolled in? And I'm not talking about the fireball anyway, I'm talking about the concussion.

It wasn't an actual nuclear explosion like the kind caused by atomic weapons anyway. The uranium deposits under the island ignited and blew up, or something to that effect.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Tomzilla » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:14 am

Most kaiju would be vaporized. It's really the heat that would kill them. Nukes are like miniature Suns going off. So even if there are some kaiju who'd survive the devastating kinetic force (unlikely), the heat would still vaporize anything left.

As for Birth Island's destruction and the reason why Godzilla went into his meltdown state, here's a translation of my subtitled copy:

"We believed that the destruction of Birth Island was mainly due to natural forces. But tests of the surrounding water showed that it was nothing other than nuclear-fission radiation."

"Then Godzilla was behind its destruction..."
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby RedZillaKing » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:58 am

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:
It's funny how easy it is to swallow that concept, compared to one that advocates physical objects the size of buildings "surviving" black holes. This does not require the simple "suspension of disbelief" that lets me believe Godzilla & co. have supernaturally strong shinbones. A monster surviving a black hole is akin to Toho showing a man fed through a woodchipper and mulched into bloody pulp, and then cutting to him recovering in a hospital bed because he's just that tough. However, I will grant that it's possible that the Dimension Tide did not generate "black holes" in the strict sense of the word (it's name suggests that anyway), but some other form of disruption. If it was just a portal to another universe or the like, as Megaguirus' appearance may demonstrate, then I can easily accept that the rift opens both ways, and Godzilla could have reemerged as easily as Megaguirus did.

That's a possibility. Another one is that Godzilla saw the DT above him, then screamed at the top of his lungs (in gojirese) "Black.... Hole... BUSTERRRRR!" all the while letting loose an atomic blast so powerful and full of radiation that it quickly disrupted the DT. Buried under the rubble, Godzilla decided to burrow away, unsure of whether or not the DT would strike again. Again, it's all just conjecture on anyone's part why he survived the direct hit from that particular weapon. All we know is that he survived.
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby Tyler » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:13 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:Well, can a kaiju survive a direct hit from a nuclear missile? If so who? I think Heisei Godzilla could pull it off. He did destroy two nuclear submarines which I believe carried nuclear weapons.


I think those only contained nuclear waste. Or something like that. I haven't seen the original Japanese versions..

If an actual nuclear weapon is ever used on Godzilla in a movie it better be pulled off better than in Kingdom of Monsters. "Oh, a jet attack didn't work let's just nuke him."
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Re: Could a kaiju survive a Nuclear Strike?

Postby kaijukurt » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:47 am

http://www.clubtokyo.org/listings/itemListingRpt.php?catID=1&subCatID=36&contentID=1036

The bio on the Megalon card states that he could survive a nuclear blast...yeah, I know it's not "normal" canon, but since it's official merchandise, it should account for something, right?
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