So who actually likes the Heisei series?

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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Sue Dounim » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:29 pm

I grew up on the Heisei films, so I'm somewhat biased towards them. Beyond DAM and Gt3HM, I never really got too into the Showa films as a kid, but in recent years, soemthing clicked in me and now the Showa films are undoubtedly my favorite, flaws and all. But to keep on topic, I love the darker tones of these films, the only complaint I would have over all of them is that some the battles felt too much like laser light shows (I'm looking at you, Godzilla vs. Mothra...). If I had to rank them, it'd be:

01. Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
02. Godzilla vs. Biollante
03. Godzilla vs. Mothra
04. Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah
05. Godzilla
06. Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
07. Moguera (and Godzilla) vs. Spacegodzilla
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Gojira1963 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:42 pm

I don't think I ranked the Heisei movies when I posted in this thread before.

Here are my favorites:

Godzilla vs Destroyer
Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla
Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs Mothra
Godzilla vs Space Godzilla

I haven't seen Godzilla vs Biollante yet so I do not know where to rate that one just yet.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:37 pm

I think it could have been a little bit more epic, I mean look at the battles like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, that match sucked! And when KG was returned as a mech, it really wasn't that much better.

The Godzilla vs. Mothra and Battra was pretty good

But the rest of them were just short and unimpressive.

This is just my opinion, but does anyone agree?
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Gojira1963 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:14 pm

Other than Godzilla vs Space Godzilla there really isn't a weak entry in the series for me. I like them all. I will even take Godzilla vs Space Godzilla over Godzilla vs Gigan any day!
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby eabaker » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:38 am

Gojira1963 wrote:Other than Godzilla vs Space Godzilla there really isn't a weak entry in the series for me. I like them all. I will even take Godzilla vs Space Godzilla over Godzilla vs Gigan any day!


Space Godzilla is the only one of the lot I'll call a flat-out bad movie. I would almost always prefer to watch Gigan, some days maybe even Megalon. However, I'll happily take Space Godzilla over Godzilla x Mechagodzilla, Tokyo SOS, or Godzilla Final Wars in a heartbeat.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Goji » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:50 am

Lain Of The Wired wrote:I think it could have been a little bit more epic, I mean look at the battles like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, that match sucked! And when KG was returned as a mech, it really wasn't that much better.

The Godzilla vs. Mothra and Battra was pretty good

But the rest of them were just short and unimpressive.

This is just my opinion, but does anyone agree?


I wouldn't call the battles in MECHAGODZILLA, SPACEGODZILLA, or DESTOROYAH "short". They're anything but.

I'm not even a big fan of the 90's films, but I always felt the two monster battles in VS. KING GHIDORAH were some of the most visually stimulating/entertaining from this era. With as many people that dislike these films, this is actually the first time I've seen somebody say it flat out "sucks". Godzilla slamming King Ghidorah around by his tails? Yes please.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby GojirO » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:58 am

I liked G85, GvB, GvKG, BUT GvM was bad. I somewhat enjoyed GvMG2 and I kind of liked GvSG but was highly impressed with GvD (sorry if in anytime I have confused you)
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby eabaker » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:05 am

Goji wrote:
Lain Of The Wired wrote:I think it could have been a little bit more epic, I mean look at the battles like Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, that match sucked! And when KG was returned as a mech, it really wasn't that much better.

The Godzilla vs. Mothra and Battra was pretty good

But the rest of them were just short and unimpressive.

This is just my opinion, but does anyone agree?


I wouldn't call the battles in MECHAGODZILLA, SPACEGODZILLA, or DESTOROYAH "short". They're anything but.

I'm not even a big fan of the 90's films, but I always felt the two monster battles in VS. KING GHIDORAH were some of the most visually stimulating/entertaining from this era. With as many people that dislike these films, this is actually the first time I've seen somebody say it flat out "sucks". Godzilla slamming King Ghidorah around by his tails? Yes please.


Yeah, I particularly dig the first battle in that movie; it may be my favorite Heisei series battle, or perhaps tied with the final fight of Biollante. In both cases, I think the fact that they're relatively short and sweet works to their advantage.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:51 am

eabaker wrote:
Gojira1963 wrote:Other than Godzilla vs Space Godzilla there really isn't a weak entry in the series for me. I like them all. I will even take Godzilla vs Space Godzilla over Godzilla vs Gigan any day!


Space Godzilla is the only one of the lot I'll call a flat-out bad movie. I would almost always prefer to watch Gigan, some days maybe even Megalon. However, I'll happily take Space Godzilla over Godzilla x Mechagodzilla, Tokyo SOS, or Godzilla Final Wars in a heartbeat.



I agree Space Godzilla is pretty bad, but like most Godzilla movies I do find things to enjoy.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby SaferEmerald » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:33 am

Heisei series is by far and away my favorite Godzilla era. For starters, I much prefer an actual continuity. It's why I prefer Deep Space Nine to TNG, for example.

We see Godzilla more as an unstoppable beast as opposed to the corny Showa-era stuff where they attempted to humanize him *too* much. I much prefer the implications and subtleties in the Heisei series.

Miki is one of my favorite characters in the franchise.

The Heisei series has some of the most memorable touching scenes. In GvB for instance, you have the kids holding up the drawings they came up with from their dreams. I always liked this scene, seeing it now also reminds me of the first Silent Hill movie. Kids' drawings can be creepy yo. Then we have Godzilla's death in GvD. In GvKG, there's the staredown scene that I love.

GvSG is the only film in the Heisei series I'm on the fence about, and I don't even feel like it's necessarily bad. Even if I did, it wouldn't be anywhere near as terrible as Godzilla Vs. Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge.

I only have one beef with GvD and it's very minor, and just makes me laugh more than anything. There's this guy with glasses that always repeats things in the form of a question.

"Explosion?"
"Meltdown?"

GvD also has the best opening scene imo, special effects-wise. There's this wonderful shot, just before it cuts to the title, of Godzilla blasting a harbor with his ray. And of course his design in this film remains my favorite to this day.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby DarkLord » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:38 am

My idea of Godzilla has always been one of a monstrous, indestructible, apocolyptic beast. Godzilla as featured in G '54, Mothra against G, the Heisei and Millenium series' pretty much depict him perfectly, to my mind. From what we're hearing, the Godzilla in LP's forthcoming project should be from the same mould.:D
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby eabaker » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:36 pm

SaferEmerald wrote:Heisei series is by far and away my favorite Godzilla era. For starters, I much prefer an actual continuity. It's why I prefer Deep Space Nine to TNG, for example.


Well, Deep Space Nine is a much, much better show. The thing is, Deep Space Nine uses its continuity to tell a meaningful, epic story. For the most part, the Heisei Godzilla films use continuity in a lazy way, not really exploring it as a storytelling tool.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby tenup » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:01 pm

Heisei=Toho's greed. The 90's was a tainted decade for Godzilla. Sadly Toho execs didn't learn their lesson and went on to produce a not so impressive Millenium series. If GMK was done back in 99, Godzilla would have had a more successful recovery after 98's disaster.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby gzilla46 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:24 pm

Why would you NOT like the Heisei Series? It brings Godzilla back to his darker roots from 1954, in contrast to the campy Showa series.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby eabaker » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:33 pm

gzilla46 wrote:Why would you NOT like the Heisei Series? It brings Godzilla back to his darker roots from 1954, in contrast to the campy Showa series.


Yes, it does that successfully for three films, and then it spends the next three films flailing about without any characterization for the monster, before finally getting a grip on him again with the series finale.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby gzilla46 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:48 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
gzilla46 wrote:Why would you NOT like the Heisei Series? It brings Godzilla back to his darker roots from 1954, in contrast to the campy Showa series.


See, the thing is...it really doesn't. None of the Heisei films ever get anywhere near as dark and powerful as the original dark. G'84 is only "dark" because everything takes place at night, while Biollante (at least to me) is more poetic than anything else. There's certainly nothing dark about any of the films after that. Godzilla vs Mothra is pure lightweight fantasy, Mechagodzilla is straight mecha sci-fi and Space Godzilla is just corny as shit.

And I dislike Showa-haters who write off the entire first 20 years of Toho sci-fi as campy. Really...?


What about the one with Destroyah. The one where Godzilla dies.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Mr. X » Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:13 pm

Legion1979 wrote:There's a film where Godzilla dies?


I laughed too hard at this. Legion, you're awesome at times. :lol:

So, gzilla46, couple words of advice:

1. Never knock the Showa films. Ever.

2. You don't have to give a brief description (even as brief as "The one where Godzilla dies") when you're talking about a Godzilla film. This is a Godzilla forum; we've all heard and seen the movie before.

3. The Heisei series nowhere near as dark the original Godzilla film. Not even relatively close.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:48 am

gzilla46 wrote:Why would you NOT like the Heisei Series? It brings Godzilla back to his darker roots from 1954, in contrast to the campy Showa series.


This post alone exemplifies what is wrong with some of the posters on this forum, as well as the younger generation of fans, in general.

The 90's films, for the most part, are not particularly good Godzilla movies. After '91, it was really all downhill from there.

None of the Heisei films went "back to his darker roots from 1954". This never happened.

Not much of the Showa series can really be considered "campy". Regardless, I'll take camp over the dull, plodding films made after '91, any day of the week.
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Captain Aktion » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:45 am

If I wanted to say so, the entire Godzilla oeuvre is "campy". I don't know why there is a distinction between "darker" and "funner". Ideally, the best one would be both, right?
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Re: So who actually likes the Heisei series?

Postby Julia Bristow » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:01 am

Goji wrote:
gzilla46 wrote:Why would you NOT like the Heisei Series? It brings Godzilla back to his darker roots from 1954, in contrast to the campy Showa series.


This post alone exemplifies what is wrong with some of the posters on this forum, as well as the younger generation of fans, in general.

The 90's films, for the most part, are not particularly good Godzilla movies. After '91, it was really all downhill from there.

None of the Heisei films went "back to his darker roots from 1954". This never happened.

Not much of the Showa series can really be considered "campy". Regardless, I'll take camp over the dull, plodding films made after '91, any day of the week.


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