Will Toho ever add more monsters into the G-Franchise?

[Svitska Donkun]

Some just had movies that bombed, like SpaceGodzilla and Megaguirus.

...are you talking about at the box office? Because Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla was quite successful. The only movies to do better since the end of the Showa series are: Godzilla vs. Mothra, Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II and GODZILLA in that order.

It did better than all of the Millennium films, and the three from 1984-1991.

I read that Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was very successful in the male audience, and that each of the Heisei era films scored in the to domestic hits of their respective years.
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Is William Tsutsui a reputable source?

[Arbok]

I read that Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah was very successful in the male audience, and that each of the Heisei era films scored in the to domestic hits of their respective years.

Heisei era is all of the Godzilla films from 1989-2004.

The Heisei series were always in the top domestic hits, and King Ghidorah was successful with the male audience... while Mothra proved how important it was to make a film that appealed to both.

The Millennium was less successful, especially Tokyo SOS and Final Wars.

[Svitska Donkun]

Heisei era is all of the Godzilla films from 1989-2004.

I thought that all movies from Godzilla 2000 onward were part of the Millenium series...
Are you referring to which emperor was ruling at the time? I remember that having something to do with the names "Showa" and "Heisei".

[Arbok]

I thought that all movies from Godzilla 2000 onward were part of the Millenium series...
Are you referring to which emperor was ruling at the time? I remember that having something to do with the names "Showa" and "Heisei".

Correct. The Heisei series is from 1984-1995.

Millennium is from 1999-2004.

The Heisei series gets its name from the Heisei era, which start in 1989 (so the bulk of the movies were in the Heisei). In contrast, the Showa series gets its name from the Showa era that lasted from 1926-1988. Its still currently the Heisei era, so the Millennium got a unique name unlike the others which were connected to their respective eras.

[Living Corpse]

Looking back, I've noticed that Toho hasn't really been placing much effort into adding more kaiju into the franchise.
The lastest and only new kaiju they created as Monster X, and that was it. I have nothing against the main monsters that we all know and love. But we need some fresh monsters. I love Mothra and King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla, but having them in mostly ever movie after the other tends to become a bit stale for me.

I hope Toho creates more kaiju in future Godzilla films, or at least update a few underrated kaiju like Megalon.
If they can update Gigan and make him look badass, they can do the same for other kaiju as well.

Arrow and I talked a little bit about this on the old forums. Biollante, Destoryah, Orga, Megaguirus, and Monster X are proof that they still wanna try new things. Bringing back old monsters like Moguera, Gigan, and King Caesar shows that they want to give some of the lesser known ones more time in the spotlight.


They want to do new things instead of repeating the same crap over and over but the problem is, as Arrow pointed out when we talked about this, is that Toho is having a hard time getting new or old obscure kaiju to catch on. They've fallen into a trap that is nothing but a vicious circle where people won't see a movie simply because the monster is new or they don't know who Gorosarus is, but in turn will whine and bitch that they would like to take a break from seeing MecgaGodzilla and King Ghidorah in almost every damn film.

Toho wants to do something different, they want to try new things because if someone like Biollante catches with the causal moviegoer then that's more merchandise they can make a profit off of. True even the popular monsters like Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Rodan, MechaGodzilla, and Mothra were new at one point in time but monsters like Orga just haven't clicked with people the same way as they have.

I would love to see Toho try something different that would catch on, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I never want to see MechaGodzilla and King Ghidorah ever again. I want to see them again, I just don't want to see them all the time. It's like eating pizza everyday, I love pizza but even I would get sick of it if I was eating nothing but pizza for two whole weeks. I would like to see new monsters or some of the old school kaiju like Titanosarus and get a break from Mothra, who has been in three F'N films the past decade. I like Mothra but 3 films is just too much.

[Chris55]

Wouldn't Obsidius and Krystalak count to some extent? I mean Toho does own them I would assume.

Them and approx 18 others that Pipeworks created.

[Living Corpse]

Wouldn't Obsidius and Krystalak count to some extent? I mean Toho does own them I would assume.

Them and approx 18 others that Pipeworks created.

While I doubt they made any good ones I kinda wish I could see all of their concept art. All we've seen of the unused GU monsters is Fire Lion (we need more four legged kaiju), The Visitor (Xenomorph rip off FTW), and Lighting Bug (you suck!).

[JVM]

It's inevitable Toho will eventually create a new Godzilla foe. It's not like the big guy's going into permanent hibernation or something soon. There's just going to be a little break before we get some fresh blood is all.

[Legion1979]

It's inevitable Toho will eventually create a new Godzilla foe. It's not like the big guy's going into permanent hibernation or something soon. There's just going to be a little break before we get some fresh blood is all.

If the LP film is a big success and spawns a true American franchise I wouldn't be surprised if Toho retired Godzilla completely. New Godzilla films made by Toho are not an inevitability, IMHO.

[Chris55]

Wouldn't Obsidius and Krystalak count to some extent? I mean Toho does own them I would assume.

Them and approx 18 others that Pipeworks created.

While I doubt they made any good ones I kinda wish I could see all of their concept art.

Yeh I ALMOST was able to release it but the Atari guy at the time bailed out on us. Then he quit Atari.

[Living Corpse]

Yeh I ALMOST was able to release it but the Atari guy at the time bailed out on us. Then he quit Atari.

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Damn it! Who knows there might have actually been a few that would actually fit in the Toho universe instead of feeling like they belong in a cartoon like Krystalak or or some Elemental movie like Obsidius.

[JVM]

It's inevitable Toho will eventually create a new Godzilla foe. It's not like the big guy's going into permanent hibernation or something soon. There's just going to be a little break before we get some fresh blood is all.

If the LP film is a big success and spawns a true American franchise I wouldn't be surprised if Toho retired Godzilla completely. New Godzilla films made by Toho are not an inevitability, IMHO.

Missed the point.

Replace Toho with 'Whatever Film Company Owns Godzilla At The Time Future Films Are Being Released' The point is as long as Godzilla movies are coming, chances are pretty high unless they're an endless string of bombs, they'll EVENTUALLY make new monsters. During the early Heisei series after GvKG, Toho was reluctant to make new monsters for a few years, but they still made SpaceGodzilla. After the failures of G2K and GxM, Toho fell back on the classics, but there was still a Monster X.

[Legion1979]

Replace Toho with 'Whatever Film Company Owns Godzilla At The Time Future Films Are Being Released' The point is as long as Godzilla movies are coming, chances are pretty high unless they're an endless string of bombs, they'll EVENTUALLY make new monsters. During the early Heisei series after GvKG, Toho was reluctant to make new monsters for a few years, but they still made SpaceGodzilla. After the failures of G2K and GxM, Toho fell back on the classics, but there was still a Monster X.

True, but this thread is specifically about Toho and I wouldn't necessarily put a new monster made by LP in the same category as a new monster created by Toho themselves. I know not everyone feels that way and would gladly put a new creation made by LP right alongside classics like Rodan or Mothra, but I don't exactly work that way.

[JVM]

^ I doubt LP will choose to make a new monster yet, and I still consider it pretty likely Toho will return to Godzilla some day. Personally I'd love to put new monsters up with Toho classics, but fans generally react negatively - Orga, Megaguirus and Monster X seem rather indifferently treated, and Krystalak and Obsidius were treated like rapists.

Although the topic's technically about Toho, it's because the chances of Toho dropping Godzilla forever, even if G2012 is successful, are fairly slim. Toho still owns Godzilla and has the final call on everything.

[Showa Gyaos]

It's inevitable Toho will eventually create a new Godzilla foe. It's not like the big guy's going into permanent hibernation or something soon. There's just going to be a little break before we get some fresh blood is all.

If the LP film is a big success and spawns a true American franchise I wouldn't be surprised if Toho retired Godzilla completely. New Godzilla films made by Toho are not an inevitability, IMHO.

Missed the point.

Replace Toho with 'Whatever Film Company Owns Godzilla At The Time Future Films Are Being Released' The point is as long as Godzilla movies are coming, chances are pretty high unless they're an endless string of bombs, they'll EVENTUALLY make new monsters. During the early Heisei series after GvKG, Toho was reluctant to make new monsters for a few years, but they still made SpaceGodzilla. After the failures of G2K and GxM, Toho fell back on the classics, but there was still a Monster X.

Yeah. The only problem is, the movie still bombed....I have a feeling that an American release would have probably grossed more freaking cash than Japan's initial run of the movie.

[Chris55]

Missed the point.

Replace Toho with 'Whatever Film Company Owns Godzilla At The Time Future Films Are Being Released' The point is as long as Godzilla movies are coming, chances are pretty high unless they're an endless string of bombs, they'll EVENTUALLY make new monsters. During the early Heisei series after GvKG, Toho was reluctant to make new monsters for a few years, but they still made SpaceGodzilla. After the failures of G2K and GxM, Toho fell back on the classics, but there was still a Monster X.

Yeah. The only problem is, the movie still bombed....I have a feeling that an American release would have probably grossed more freaking cash than Japan's initial run of the movie.[/quote]

I don't think GFW bombed because of Monster X. It just wasn't a well made movie.

[XxComablack1937xX]

In my opinion this was one of the major thing's bringing the decline in attendance for the Japanese Franchise. It was almost like they quit trying to be creative an stuck with what worked at the time.

I mean how many times can Godzilla fight Mecha-Godzilla, King Ghidorah an Mothra? I have always thought outside of ''GMK'' that all if not most of the Character's in the 2000 series were terrible but the monster fight's still drove me to watch them. But why spend money when it's always the same monsters? Sure... maybe different story's but same monsters.

Instead of going forward with the Franchise, Toho has seemed to try an create something closer to the 60's an 70's era films which ''Yes'' a lot of people loved an brought in money but that time is over an audiences taste's have changed. This is just my opinion but after ''Godzilla vs Biollante'' the franchise quit moving forward an stuck around the same pace an it worked for the 90's.. But were in 2010 now, quit trying to recreate the past an bring new life an direction into this franchise or else it will never gain it's popularity back with the Japanese audience an in time will lose it's American Audience.

Im hoping with Legendary Pictures they accomplish that an give Toho time to re-think there idea's over there.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'd like to see more original monsters from Toho, but I won't complain if they don't. I hardly ever get bored of monsters like King Ghidorah, Rodan, MechaGodzilla, etc.

[Killswitch]

I wouldn't mind seeing new monsters, but there are old monsters that haven't had nearly the same amount of screen time as others.
I would like to see some of these less popular monsters get a modern day make-over and re-introduced.

Will Toho ever add more monsters? Well, they need to start making new G films first! lol